Tornado Fuel Saver
05-05-2004 | 03:28 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
I will give these a shot…
I think this comes down to cost and reliability. It also has to do with where they make more power (a higher RPM). Most people need low-end torque for daily driving. Cast Iron is cheaper to produce and it dissipates heat and reduces under-hood temperatures better than a standard header without a coating.
Generally speaking larger exhaust is louder and the cost is higher. Again, people want low-end torque for daily driving.
True if you mean power, but for gas mileage the SOHC Honda Civic HX takes the cake.
I think it all comes down to one word: Cost. Not only are the tool set ups more expensive for these parts, but labor is more intensive and general procurement would cost much more. If you start adding these things up, the cost would be notably higher in a lean production operation.
Besides, we wouldn’t get to mod anything if they all came this way.
I think this comes down to cost and reliability. It also has to do with where they make more power (a higher RPM). Most people need low-end torque for daily driving. Cast Iron is cheaper to produce and it dissipates heat and reduces under-hood temperatures better than a standard header without a coating.
Generally speaking larger exhaust is louder and the cost is higher. Again, people want low-end torque for daily driving.
True if you mean power, but for gas mileage the SOHC Honda Civic HX takes the cake.
I think it all comes down to one word: Cost. Not only are the tool set ups more expensive for these parts, but labor is more intensive and general procurement would cost much more. If you start adding these things up, the cost would be notably higher in a lean production operation.
Besides, we wouldn’t get to mod anything if they all came this way.
05-05-2004 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HaveBlue
Headers increase fuel economy and power. Larger exhuasts increase power and fuel economy. A supercharger marginally increased my fuel economy and dramatically increased power. DOHC engines are far more efficient than SOHC engines. A K&N or Amsoil air filter increases air flow and filters better. Ceramic piston rings create less friction than conventional rings. Why don't auto manufacturers install all of these on every car? 
So your argument is that the Tornado works because there are other things manufacturers don't install that might increase power and economy? Or is it that the those other things don't really work? I am confused as to what you are really trying to illustrate. Either one seems a bit off base...
05-06-2004 | 07:22 AM
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I was merely addressing the question as to why manufacturers don't install these on all engines. I've received countless e-mails and PMs with that same question regarding the Fuel Atomizer. When I answer, "because of cost," I always get the same answer - "they could just pass the cost on to the consumer." That may be so, but why limit it to just a Tornado fuel saver or other fuel saving devices? Why not incorporate headers and pass the cost onto the consumer? Why not make the whole vehicle out of fiberglass and pass the cost on to the consumer?
At that point, I usually get a response that says, "the government is making lower emissions vehicles with better gas mileage mandatory. If [insert fuel saving device] works so well, why don't they install them onto vehicles." By this time, I realize I'm just running around in circles and I stop responding.
At that point, I usually get a response that says, "the government is making lower emissions vehicles with better gas mileage mandatory. If [insert fuel saving device] works so well, why don't they install them onto vehicles." By this time, I realize I'm just running around in circles and I stop responding.
05-07-2004 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sportJr
worked great in a friends Miata, for real. 1 more mile per gallon, and a bit peppier
05-07-2004 | 08:37 AM
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You could probably get the same results from an air freshener plus 1mpg + or - can be a result of anything
05-07-2004 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WATRD
Send me the $80 that you would spend on it, $69.97 + $10.95 shipping and handling. I will then kick you in the shins and you will have received more for your money than you will get from sending them the money 
Worthless.
Worthless.
Rob, is it one kick or two. Because if its one I don't think its worth it.
05-07-2004 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Biff
Rob, is it one kick or two. Because if its one I don't think its worth it.
What a deal! And STILL better than spending the money on a Tornado or Helix Power Toilet!
Order now, operators are standing by and quantities are limited...
05-07-2004 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HaveBlue
Rob-
What kind of deal would I get if I bought two of what you're selling?
What kind of deal would I get if I bought two of what you're selling?
05-07-2004 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WATRD
heheheh For bulk orders, we include an @ss kicking at no additional cost. Just one more service from a vendor who cares about you...
05-07-2004 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sportJr
worked great in a friends Miata, for real. 1 more mile per gallon, and a bit peppier
The issue with using one of these on an EFI engine, especially one like the 3.4L in question which has a tight turn at the manifold is that any "good" it does to the airflow is wasted on there being no fuel injected into the air stream, and that tight turn is gonna squash the swirl anyway.
05-07-2004 | 01:38 PM
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I have a Tornado Air system for 4 years. It was designed to create vortesis to allow more air into the cylinder. I purchased mine for about $50.
Suggest you DO NOT buy it. It doesn't create the kind of performance on my ol'95 Toy because of the very effecient pluntem.
There are two things Tornado Air System has done for me;
1) Eat cash out of my wallet
2) Halt vehicle surging during cold start injection periods.
DO NOT BUY IT!!!!!
Suggest you DO NOT buy it. It doesn't create the kind of performance on my ol'95 Toy because of the very effecient pluntem.
There are two things Tornado Air System has done for me;
1) Eat cash out of my wallet
2) Halt vehicle surging during cold start injection periods.
DO NOT BUY IT!!!!!
05-08-2004 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by muskie
I would have to wonder what kinda damage it would do to your engine if it blew apart in the plenum! 
Here's an informative answer.
Answer is it couldn't. It a single piece of tin. It gets wrapped around the entrace to the throttle body. It's too wide to fall into the throttle body and to large to fit into the plenum.
So what kind of damage would it do? None.
07-03-2004 | 01:30 PM
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From: NNJ
If you only put one in, that would be equivalent to an F1 tornado. What if you installed 5 so you would have the effect of an F5 tornado :grin:
About as worthless as my scam, Hornet Nest Piñatas.
About as worthless as my scam, Hornet Nest Piñatas.
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