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Old 07-03-2007 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Weasy2k
The only thing that was not mentioned in the above article is how the ecu will not read off the knock sensors before 3000rpm.

Above that the ecu will work with the timing as mentioned.

That is why most detonation that you can hear occurs before that point. HGLR ping...

To get rid of that you should only need ot pull between 2-4 degrees of timing in that load range and the ping should go away. Going super rich wont give you the cooling factor needed to remove knock, water injection yes fuel adding not so much.

I think something is really wrong with your unit man and if you are stuck still in a or 2 week i will help you out. Check your PM...
This is the 2nd unit.... still doing the same thing.
Old 07-03-2007 | 08:47 AM
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did you verify that timing is being pulled with the br-3 when you use the ftc to retard it?
Old 07-03-2007 | 08:51 AM
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that we did do. yes the timing was being pulled. but then its like the ftc decides what it wants to do for the fuel portion of it... which is causing it to run lean.
Old 07-03-2007 | 09:35 AM
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that we did do. yes the timing was being pulled. but then its like the ftc decides what it wants to do for the fuel portion of it... which is causing it to run lean.
Can you post a screen shot of your map?
Old 07-03-2007 | 10:43 AM
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i can but itll have to be later tonight sometime.
Old 07-03-2007 | 04:21 PM
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Couldnt tell you what it was running stock for that i had the s/c before i even came to this site let alone learned about the fuel mods. and when i did purchase everything i couldnt test it either way because the s/c was in the shop getting rebuilt as i was installing the mods.

Couldnt get rid of the pinging with messing with the fuel maps. for it was running at 12.0 - 12.5afr. and it would still start to ping really bad. so therefore the pinging was due to the timing. which we corrected and stopped the pining, but now its doing what it was doing before, starting to run really lean EVERYWHERE all boost, and rpm and in open loop.

I dont know man. i cant explain it any better than that. All i know is something isnt working properly. And im not satisfied what so ever.
I was out jogging and was thinking about this. Think you might have a bad or poorly connected injector?
Old 07-03-2007 | 05:21 PM
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that we did do. yes the timing was being pulled. but then its like the ftc decides what it wants to do for the fuel portion of it... which is causing it to run lean.
The detonation occurs where? Above 3k?
Old 07-04-2007 | 07:52 AM
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Catching up and filling in around the edges...


Originally Posted by TrackRunner
Hey Speedy, did you happen see what your max throttle position % was while monitoring the BR-3?
A normal TPS range as seen through OBD should be 10% on the low end to 75% on the high end.


Originally Posted by Speedy
I was playing around with my br-3 last week to get a feel for it before doing the SC install. Mine would hit open loop at about 75% throttle. I had my gal drive and slowly apply throttle as I watched the % throttle and open/closed loop settings.
Remember that Open Loop will come on based on a number of things... throttle position, air flow, "computed engine load", and I think something else.


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Less than a week my truck will be down for 3 months now. this is just ridiculous.
Like Gregg (Greedy), I've been there too. My truck is currently coming into it's 2nd month of being down, for the 2nd time. I was hosed from 8/2006-11/2006, then completely down from 11/2006-1/2007. I had one good month up, then hosed for a month, and now I'm completely down again.

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Old 07-04-2007 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by midiwall
Remember that Open Loop will come on based on a number of things... throttle position, air flow, "computed engine load", and I think something else.
Right. This was just a quick test for me to see open loop on the laptop. I'll do more thorough testing when I tune.

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Like Gregg (Greedy), I've been there too. My truck is currently coming into it's 2nd month of being down, for the 2nd time. I was hosed from 8/2006-11/2006, then completely down from 11/2006-1/2007. I had one good month up, then hosed for a month, and now I'm completely down again.
Why do you three guys seem to be having so many problems? Midiwall I know you had some failure a while back, so that could account for some. I don't see anyone else on any other forum being down like this. Are you guys just major tweakers or ?
Old 07-04-2007 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by midiwall

Remember that Open Loop will come on based on a number of things... throttle position, air flow, "computed engine load", and I think something else.
Coolant temp maybe, I seem to go into open loop very easy when the coolant temps are higher than about 215 deg F.
Old 07-04-2007 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedy
Why do you three guys seem to be having so many problems? Midiwall I know you had some failure a while back, so that could account for some. I don't see anyone else on any other forum being down like this. Are you guys just major tweakers or ?
If you're thinking about my valve burn, that was "fixed" with a many-thousand-dollar very-complete engine rebuild from the ground up - you'd think I'd be running really well right now.

I'd say that Gregg and I are pretty top-end tweakers, but there are other folks beyond where we are right now. Some have trouble, some sit on CT and say "I dunno why you're having trouble, I've got 25lbs of boost and running great!"

Gregg's issues for a long time were FTC1E based, he's a lot better these days after getting rid of it. Before that, remember that his turbo install is 100% custom. His truck was out for 6 months while tubing was bent, intercooler was being custom fit, etc.

Me right now... hard to say. I have another thread running with the present symptoms. I tend to refuse to believe that the issues are internal, but it's kinda' pointing that way. Personally, I haven't had the energy to dig into this thing for a week or more, I'm pretty fed up.
Old 07-05-2007 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy
I was out jogging and was thinking about this. Think you might have a bad or poorly connected injector?
Its a good thought man, ill have to check that out. for i dont have the solder type connections, they are the clip on converters. so no need for cutting the wires.

But would you think there would be miss fires and such with a poorly connected injector? Should also through a code too.
Old 07-05-2007 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Stevo3
Its a good thought man, ill have to check that out. for i dont have the solder type connections, they are the clip on converters. so no need for cutting the wires.

But would you think there would be miss fires and such with a poorly connected injector? Should also through a code too.
I'm not sure what codes it would throw, if any, since the injectors are not stock. I believe a misfire could occur but not sure how the new injectors would effect that.

This is all just theory though, but I'd definitely check it out.

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Old 07-06-2007 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Weasy2k
The detonation occurs where? Above 3k?
It happens in any rpm, high or low. at mainly 2-4psi.
Old 07-06-2007 | 07:51 AM
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It happens in any rpm, high or low. at mainly 2-4psi.
And you have the 170 thermostat installed with the jiggle valve at 6 O'clock right?
Old 07-06-2007 | 07:54 AM
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I do not have the thermostat. The stock one is still in there. But that will not be causing all the issues im having. Already discussed this with Blink.
Old 07-06-2007 | 07:58 AM
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I do not have the thermostat. The stock one is still in there. But that will not be causing all the issues im having. Already discussed this with Blink.
the thermostat i'm pretty sure helps alot with pinging. ie less heat?
Old 07-06-2007 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stevo3
I do not have the thermostat. The stock one is still in there. But that will not be causing all the issues im having. Already discussed this with Blink.
You're right it won't cause all these issues, however it helps the pinging immensely. I just had a buddy drop one in his Taco and it virtually eliminated any ping.

He also did some Water Wetter in the radiator mix.
Old 07-06-2007 | 10:59 AM
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(in my case)The Pinging was due to the timing. We corrected that with adjusting the timing. But now its leaning out again. Which in that case it pings due to being lean. 16:1 AFR is not healthy for 2 psi boost @ 1500 - 2500 rpm. Let alone it hits 16 afr in open loop with it @ WOT.

Im 100% stumped on what the hell is going on. Fix one side of it the other side wiggs out.

All my connections are secured and soldered. If i ever get time i will have to remove the S/C and take a glance at the injector connections. But i triple checked those on installation and pre-installation of the s/c when i got it back.

Im just one of those unlucky people where nothing can ever go right (EVER).
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I do not have the thermostat. The stock one is still in there. But that will not be causing all the issues im having. Already discussed this with Blink.

the thermostat i'm pretty sure helps alot with pinging. ie less heat?




Interesting --- I assumed that the lower tstat richened the fuel mix, but that makes sense too... 10 degrees can really change things on the combustion front. TRD ships a 160 with the 7th --- is that how they take care of the ping? Not necessarily with fuel?


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