95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 4th gen pickups and 3rd gen 4Runners

So............. Who has paid there 4Runner off?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-01-2004 | 02:23 PM
  #81  
Billf6531
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Originally posted by BT17R
One of my rules is: "Cash for toys". By my definition, toys included cars, trucks, boats, airplanes, or any other depreciating asset, although there are examples of all the above that appreciate during parts of their useful life. Those are the toys I try to buy, new or used, resell and make a little bit on about 4-6 times annually. I'd do it more often, but then I'd have to get a dealer's license (KISS).

I didn't start out that way, it took a lifetime of saving and investing to get here. I drove my share of beaters, and didn't get into nicer cars until I got a job that furnished company cars. After some homework, I started buying and selling new and used toys on the side, and still do today. I bat around .800 profitability, a good average for an amateur, and get to drive some decent iron including the occasional exotic.

I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr. Then there's the other part of the program: I pay cash, and lease back to myself at exorbitant rates. The lease company takes the payments, depreciation and management expenses (guess who manages) and enjoys other benefits like annual stockholder meetings in locations that I get to choose. I also hire young relatives to give them a start, fund their Roth IRA's, and help them invest at a rate that will easily yield over $1M at their retirement so maybe they'll remember their Uncle Bob.

That brings up another rule: "Whatever Toyota Motor Sales can do, I can do". Well, maybe not the Gulfstream V, but the choices available through a low cost, low management LLC make it the choice of business entity for the small investor like me. If you haven't already, read "The Millionaire Next Door" and similar books for more ideas, especially investing in residential real estate (my primary investment vehicle) where true, low risk wealth can accumulate with minimal management.
Bob, I think I'll add you to my list of heros. And that's not sarcasm.
Old 02-01-2004 | 02:45 PM
  #82  
MTL_4runner's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 8,807
Likes: 3
From: Montreal, QC Canada
Originally posted by Billf6531
Bob, I think I'll add you to my list of heros. And that's not sarcasm.
Old 02-01-2004 | 02:53 PM
  #83  
PoBoy's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,998
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix, AZ
Hey Bob...for the normal resident of Oregon, does higher gas prices and generally income taxes wash out the 0 sales tax? Im ready to move again and also in the midst of doing taxes...info like this would be greeat to know.
Old 02-01-2004 | 04:30 PM
  #84  
jruz's Avatar
Guest
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,093
Likes: 0
From: North Bend, WA
Originally posted by PoBoy
I have the:
American Express Blue Cash card (3% cash back...they say 5% but you have to carry a balance):
http://home4.americanexpress.com/blu...nks=benefits67

Platinum Plus: similar to the MBNA World Points Card (1% cash back when you spend LOTS): https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...ormPage=RCCash
AmEx fine print...
http://www66.americanexpress.com/car...15110015/0/n#1
So many rules based on what you buy and where you buy...seems like you lose the convenience factor...

MBNA fine print...
https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...qanda.jsp#qa16
$1 = 1point / minimum redemption = 5000pts for $40
(although they do offer other kinds of rewards)


I dunno...just seems like it's not a 100% win-win scenario.

Jim
Old 02-01-2004 | 04:48 PM
  #85  
PoBoy's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,998
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix, AZ
Originally posted by jruz
AmEx fine print...
http://www66.americanexpress.com/car...15110015/0/n#1
So many rules based on what you buy and where you buy...seems like you lose the convenience factor...

MBNA fine print...
https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...qanda.jsp#qa16
$1 = 1point / minimum redemption = 5000pts for $40
(although they do offer other kinds of rewards)


I dunno...just seems like it's not a 100% win-win scenario.

Jim
Well yea, there are few rules, but bottom line...you spend $6000, you will atleast get 1.5% back. But 3% on gas, groceries, ect. is quite nice. It adds up. It doesnt matter what you buy, you will get atleast 1.5% if you spend $6000 a year. Thats potatoes for most people. Check with your school, you may be able to put your tuition on it...now thats where you build up lots of cash back.

With most Visa and MC reward clubs you will notice that you have to spend around $25,000 to get a FULL 1% back. Still, you spend $5000...you can get $40 back. To some people thats not much, but it buy your oil for a year

Still...THEY PAY YOU -> YOU DONT PAY THEM. Plus, all the inssurance that comes with using a credit card instead of cash...it's by all means worth looking into. As you get older, you will realize that you cant do a lot of things without a credit card. Hotel rentals, car rentals, plane tickets, online purchases, etc...if you are going to get one, you mine as well get one that PAYS YOU BACK. Do some searching and you will find that the AMX Blue Cash card is infact the best card for rewards...but AMX isnt accepted everywhere, so you need that backup MasterCard or Visa.

Last edited by PoBoy; 02-01-2004 at 04:55 PM.
Old 02-01-2004 | 05:26 PM
  #86  
BT17R's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 5,918
Likes: 1
From: Da Gorge, Oregon
Originally posted by PoBoy
Hey Bob...for the normal resident of Oregon, does higher gas prices and generally income taxes wash out the 0 sales tax? Im ready to move again and also in the midst of doing taxes...info like this would be great to know.
Do they ever. Oregon is either 1st or 2nd for income, property and gas taxes. Combined, they more than offset the vehicle tax break. Oregon experienced a net population decline last year as taxpayers flee the system that's generated the highest unemployment rate in the U.S. Unfunded state pension liabilities make California's problems look like chump change. There's no solution in sight. The state legislature refuses to implement spending limits. I'm in the middle of liquidating real estate assets using IRS Sec. 1031 tax-free exchange mechanisms for more desirable locations. I don't mean to sound negative, just realistic. Other real estate investor friends are doing the same thing and mostly moving to Nevada, Colorado or Florida.

Edit: This is a ballot measure state where tax increases must be voter approved by a simple majority. Sounds good until you consider that more people are employed by government than the private sector. They enjoy the most lavish, inflation adjusted pension plan in the country, retire at 110% of salary after 20 years "service", and are guaranteed an 8% increase per year compounded regardless of stock market activity or interest rates. Also, government employees are given the day off with pay to vote. Most politicians owe their election to support from them, so they're beholden to the largest special interest group in the state, public employees. I won't bore you with examples...pick another state for your primary residence. Great place to visit during Summer, though!

Last edited by BT17R; 02-01-2004 at 06:07 PM.
Old 02-01-2004 | 05:57 PM
  #87  
Billf6531
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Originally posted by MTL_4runner
You also need to be careful that your investments stay ahead of the interest rate, which is not always something you can control either.
I notice that you're from Canada. You may wish to take a look at some of the Oil & Gas Income Trust issues. I hold seven different issues, averaging about 1.4% per month in distributions. Some of that is taxed as income at your full tax rate, but most is return-of-capital and only taxed at 50% of your tax rate, and then only when you sell the issue.
Old 02-01-2004 | 05:58 PM
  #88  
rimpainter.com's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,916
Likes: 1
Paid off here...

Wish I could say the same for insurance, but that's impossible.
Old 02-01-2004 | 08:34 PM
  #89  
jharris2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: Arkansas
Originally posted by BT17R
I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr.
Can you post a link to the secrets?
Old 02-01-2004 | 08:42 PM
  #90  
MTL_4runner's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 8,807
Likes: 3
From: Montreal, QC Canada
Originally posted by Billf6531
I notice that you're from Canada. You may wish to take a look at some of the Oil & Gas Income Trust issues. I hold seven different issues, averaging about 1.4% per month in distributions. Some of that is taxed as income at your full tax rate, but most is return-of-capital and only taxed at 50% of your tax rate, and then only when you sell the issue.
I am actually an American living in Canada, but it looks like I will be here for a while as we are just about to have our first little one and I just got my permanent residence (we will stay at least til I have dual citizenship so maybe 2 more years).

Good tip on the oil and gas trusts. I think many of the primary needs trusts (energy, commodities, etc) will do quite well in the short term. I also like the real estate trusts as well. I am still learning all the tax and investing nuances up here so any help you can give me would be most appreciated.
Old 02-01-2004 | 11:29 PM
  #91  
Lethal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
From: BC, Canada
don't have a runner but my pickup is paid off in less than 48 hours. Feb 3/04 is my last payment. Now I got en extra $425 every month to put towards my sas and sbc swap.
Old 02-02-2004 | 12:58 AM
  #92  
Juggalo's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 670
Likes: 0
I'm pretty late, but this thread is still at the top so...

I paid cash for my 89 Pickup does that count? 4 grand plus another 4 grand in mods and repairs in a matter of 6 months, damn this truck is addictive

And I also payed cash for my GST right after I got the truck a little while ago, sold it recently
Old 02-02-2004 | 01:25 AM
  #93  
Andrey's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,009
Likes: 0
From: Arizona
I also paid cash for my 2001 4Runner. It is so nice not too worry about car payments, its incredible!

I have my house payments, but that's a different story. :pat:

-- Andrey
Old 02-02-2004 | 06:48 AM
  #94  
rimpainter.com's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,916
Likes: 1
Originally posted by Andrey


I have my house payments, but that's a different story. :pat:

-- Andrey
Yeah, but that is "good" debt - as long as you are making at least 6% in return per year on your house.

Dont get me wrong, no mortgage would be nice!
Old 02-02-2004 | 07:39 AM
  #95  
BT17R's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 5,918
Likes: 1
From: Da Gorge, Oregon
Originally posted by jharris2
Can you post a link to the secrets?
"The Secrets of the Fleet Buyer Next Door" below. I searched using the word fleet. You could run into a stickler for details (Toyota fleet rules say 5 or more vehicles make a fleet), if so go to another dealer. Bring along your business license, in case they ask (they likely won't). They are VERY flexible because they aren't paid on gross profit per new vehicle sold, but $XXX PNVS. You specify the deal, typically $150 above net invoice (invoice-advertising-incentives-holdback) but maybe a little more if you're new. Hope this helps.


Fleet

Fleet

Fleet
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Flying91
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners (Build-Up Section)
45
04-11-2024 05:39 PM
Colington
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
20
03-08-2020 10:51 AM
jasonty
Pre 84 Trucks (Build-Up Section)
41
12-23-2018 02:00 PM
BeMiceElf
Misc Stuff (Vehicle Related)
7
10-10-2015 10:40 PM
akaphilly
Axles - Suspensions - Tires - Wheels
0
07-09-2015 03:27 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:37 AM.