So............. Who has paid there 4Runner off?
#81
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Originally posted by BT17R
One of my rules is: "Cash for toys". By my definition, toys included cars, trucks, boats, airplanes, or any other depreciating asset, although there are examples of all the above that appreciate during parts of their useful life. Those are the toys I try to buy, new or used, resell and make a little bit on about 4-6 times annually. I'd do it more often, but then I'd have to get a dealer's license (KISS).
I didn't start out that way, it took a lifetime of saving and investing to get here. I drove my share of beaters, and didn't get into nicer cars until I got a job that furnished company cars. After some homework, I started buying and selling new and used toys on the side, and still do today. I bat around .800 profitability, a good average for an amateur, and get to drive some decent iron including the occasional exotic.
I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr. Then there's the other part of the program: I pay cash, and lease back to myself at exorbitant rates. The lease company takes the payments, depreciation and management expenses (guess who manages) and enjoys other benefits like annual stockholder meetings in locations that I get to choose. I also hire young relatives to give them a start, fund their Roth IRA's, and help them invest at a rate that will easily yield over $1M at their retirement so maybe they'll remember their Uncle Bob.
That brings up another rule: "Whatever Toyota Motor Sales can do, I can do". Well, maybe not the Gulfstream V, but the choices available through a low cost, low management LLC make it the choice of business entity for the small investor like me. If you haven't already, read "The Millionaire Next Door" and similar books for more ideas, especially investing in residential real estate (my primary investment vehicle) where true, low risk wealth can accumulate with minimal management.
One of my rules is: "Cash for toys". By my definition, toys included cars, trucks, boats, airplanes, or any other depreciating asset, although there are examples of all the above that appreciate during parts of their useful life. Those are the toys I try to buy, new or used, resell and make a little bit on about 4-6 times annually. I'd do it more often, but then I'd have to get a dealer's license (KISS).
I didn't start out that way, it took a lifetime of saving and investing to get here. I drove my share of beaters, and didn't get into nicer cars until I got a job that furnished company cars. After some homework, I started buying and selling new and used toys on the side, and still do today. I bat around .800 profitability, a good average for an amateur, and get to drive some decent iron including the occasional exotic.
I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr. Then there's the other part of the program: I pay cash, and lease back to myself at exorbitant rates. The lease company takes the payments, depreciation and management expenses (guess who manages) and enjoys other benefits like annual stockholder meetings in locations that I get to choose. I also hire young relatives to give them a start, fund their Roth IRA's, and help them invest at a rate that will easily yield over $1M at their retirement so maybe they'll remember their Uncle Bob.
That brings up another rule: "Whatever Toyota Motor Sales can do, I can do". Well, maybe not the Gulfstream V, but the choices available through a low cost, low management LLC make it the choice of business entity for the small investor like me. If you haven't already, read "The Millionaire Next Door" and similar books for more ideas, especially investing in residential real estate (my primary investment vehicle) where true, low risk wealth can accumulate with minimal management.
#83
Hey Bob...for the normal resident of Oregon, does higher gas prices and generally income taxes wash out the 0 sales tax? Im ready to move again and also in the midst of doing taxes...info like this would be greeat to know.
#84
Originally posted by PoBoy
I have the:
American Express Blue Cash card (3% cash back...they say 5% but you have to carry a balance):
http://home4.americanexpress.com/blu...nks=benefits67
Platinum Plus: similar to the MBNA World Points Card (1% cash back when you spend LOTS): https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...ormPage=RCCash
I have the:
American Express Blue Cash card (3% cash back...they say 5% but you have to carry a balance):
http://home4.americanexpress.com/blu...nks=benefits67
Platinum Plus: similar to the MBNA World Points Card (1% cash back when you spend LOTS): https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...ormPage=RCCash
http://www66.americanexpress.com/car...15110015/0/n#1
So many rules based on what you buy and where you buy...seems like you lose the convenience factor...
MBNA fine print...
https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...qanda.jsp#qa16
$1 = 1point / minimum redemption = 5000pts for $40
(although they do offer other kinds of rewards)
I dunno...just seems like it's not a 100% win-win scenario.
Jim
#85
Originally posted by jruz
AmEx fine print...
http://www66.americanexpress.com/car...15110015/0/n#1
So many rules based on what you buy and where you buy...seems like you lose the convenience factor...
MBNA fine print...
https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...qanda.jsp#qa16
$1 = 1point / minimum redemption = 5000pts for $40
(although they do offer other kinds of rewards)
I dunno...just seems like it's not a 100% win-win scenario.
Jim
AmEx fine print...
http://www66.americanexpress.com/car...15110015/0/n#1
So many rules based on what you buy and where you buy...seems like you lose the convenience factor...
MBNA fine print...
https://www.mbnaworldpoints.com/WCap...qanda.jsp#qa16
$1 = 1point / minimum redemption = 5000pts for $40
(although they do offer other kinds of rewards)
I dunno...just seems like it's not a 100% win-win scenario.
Jim
With most Visa and MC reward clubs you will notice that you have to spend around $25,000 to get a FULL 1% back. Still, you spend $5000...you can get $40 back. To some people thats not much, but it buy your oil for a year
Still...THEY PAY YOU -> YOU DONT PAY THEM. Plus, all the inssurance that comes with using a credit card instead of cash...it's by all means worth looking into. As you get older, you will realize that you cant do a lot of things without a credit card. Hotel rentals, car rentals, plane tickets, online purchases, etc...if you are going to get one, you mine as well get one that PAYS YOU BACK. Do some searching and you will find that the AMX Blue Cash card is infact the best card for rewards...but AMX isnt accepted everywhere, so you need that backup MasterCard or Visa.
Last edited by PoBoy; 02-01-2004 at 04:55 PM.
#86
Originally posted by PoBoy
Hey Bob...for the normal resident of Oregon, does higher gas prices and generally income taxes wash out the 0 sales tax? Im ready to move again and also in the midst of doing taxes...info like this would be great to know.
Hey Bob...for the normal resident of Oregon, does higher gas prices and generally income taxes wash out the 0 sales tax? Im ready to move again and also in the midst of doing taxes...info like this would be great to know.
Edit: This is a ballot measure state where tax increases must be voter approved by a simple majority. Sounds good until you consider that more people are employed by government than the private sector. They enjoy the most lavish, inflation adjusted pension plan in the country, retire at 110% of salary after 20 years "service", and are guaranteed an 8% increase per year compounded regardless of stock market activity or interest rates. Also, government employees are given the day off with pay to vote. Most politicians owe their election to support from them, so they're beholden to the largest special interest group in the state, public employees. I won't bore you with examples...pick another state for your primary residence. Great place to visit during Summer, though!
Last edited by BT17R; 02-01-2004 at 06:07 PM.
#87
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Originally posted by MTL_4runner
You also need to be careful that your investments stay ahead of the interest rate, which is not always something you can control either.
You also need to be careful that your investments stay ahead of the interest rate, which is not always something you can control either.
#89
Originally posted by BT17R
I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr.
I've posted before how I go about buying new vehicles through fleet departments, live in a state with no sales tax and very low TT&L, ~$40/yr.
#90
Originally posted by Billf6531
I notice that you're from Canada. You may wish to take a look at some of the Oil & Gas Income Trust issues. I hold seven different issues, averaging about 1.4% per month in distributions. Some of that is taxed as income at your full tax rate, but most is return-of-capital and only taxed at 50% of your tax rate, and then only when you sell the issue.
I notice that you're from Canada. You may wish to take a look at some of the Oil & Gas Income Trust issues. I hold seven different issues, averaging about 1.4% per month in distributions. Some of that is taxed as income at your full tax rate, but most is return-of-capital and only taxed at 50% of your tax rate, and then only when you sell the issue.
Good tip on the oil and gas trusts. I think many of the primary needs trusts (energy, commodities, etc) will do quite well in the short term. I also like the real estate trusts as well. I am still learning all the tax and investing nuances up here so any help you can give me would be most appreciated.
#92
I'm pretty late, but this thread is still at the top so...
I paid cash for my 89 Pickup does that count? 4 grand plus another 4 grand in mods and repairs in a matter of 6 months, damn this truck is addictive
And I also payed cash for my GST right after I got the truck a little while ago, sold it recently
I paid cash for my 89 Pickup does that count? 4 grand plus another 4 grand in mods and repairs in a matter of 6 months, damn this truck is addictive
And I also payed cash for my GST right after I got the truck a little while ago, sold it recently
#94
Originally posted by Andrey
I have my house payments, but that's a different story. :pat:
-- Andrey
I have my house payments, but that's a different story. :pat:
-- Andrey
Dont get me wrong, no mortgage would be nice!
#95
Originally posted by jharris2
Can you post a link to the secrets?
Can you post a link to the secrets?
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