SC'r & Valve Body Mod Done
#41
Fellows----I am not trying to scare anyone here about fuel mods or blowing up you engine without them. All I'm trying to point out is that the fuel system of the 3.4 was designed for the engine to run naturally aspirated. When the engineer designed it a TRD supercharger was not the least bit on his mind. TRD, who didn't make the supercharger, decided that a small supercharger would market well to owners of this engine. They had a package put together, marketed, and didn't include any provisions for needed extra fuel. That was a mistake. Many people jumped on the chance to add extra power. The leanout problems and detonation problems started coming in right away. TRD denied this and other people like Gadget at URD started looking for solutions.
All you have to do is look at this logically. You simply cannot expect a stock fuel system to adequately keep up with power adders like the supercharger or a turbo system. I can't remember the exact numbers but TRD says the blower adds about 75 hp to the 3.4. Logic should tell you that if you add 75 hp worth of air you need 75 hp worth of fuel to go with it. You added the S/C to get the air. What have you added to get the fuel? Without the proper fuel needed things start getting too hot. Pistons get weak and melt or break ring lands. Heads running too hot crack usually between valve seats. Detonation can really tear up an engine and can go as far as snapping a connecting rod without you hearing the first "ping".
Have fun with your supercharger and your truck. Do your best to "balance" your system so you can have more fun and not worry about doing harm to your engine.
OK----off my box now
All you have to do is look at this logically. You simply cannot expect a stock fuel system to adequately keep up with power adders like the supercharger or a turbo system. I can't remember the exact numbers but TRD says the blower adds about 75 hp to the 3.4. Logic should tell you that if you add 75 hp worth of air you need 75 hp worth of fuel to go with it. You added the S/C to get the air. What have you added to get the fuel? Without the proper fuel needed things start getting too hot. Pistons get weak and melt or break ring lands. Heads running too hot crack usually between valve seats. Detonation can really tear up an engine and can go as far as snapping a connecting rod without you hearing the first "ping".
Have fun with your supercharger and your truck. Do your best to "balance" your system so you can have more fun and not worry about doing harm to your engine.
OK----off my box now
Last edited by TRDOLMAN; 11-06-2005 at 10:14 PM.
#42
Originally Posted by marko3xl3
You could connect a computer to your OBDII port which will read your 1st o2 sensor values and then use lambda to see how close you are to perfect afr. Just an idea.
#43
Originally Posted by alaskanboi
Cool, now on to other mods
Got any links for lambda? I have autotap, which may display on Toyota... not sure since it is mainly for american cars.. Gonna have to look that up.
Got any links for lambda? I have autotap, which may display on Toyota... not sure since it is mainly for american cars.. Gonna have to look that up.
These guys carry the wideband units from Innovate and PLX plus a ton of other goodies for our trucks.
#44
Originally Posted by TRDOLMAN
Fellows----I am not trying to scare anyone here about fuel mods or blowing up you engine without them. All I'm trying to point out is that the fuel system of the 3.4 was designed for the engine to run naturally aspirated. When the engineer designed it a TRD supercharger was not the least bit on his mind. TRD, who didn't make the supercharger, decided that a small supercharger would market well to owners of this engine. They had a package put together, marketed, and didn't include any provisions for needed extra fuel. That was a mistake. Many people jumped on the chance to add extra power. The leanout problems and detonation problems started coming in right away. TRD denied this and other people like Gadget at URD started looking for solutions.
All you have to do is look at this logically. You simply cannot expect a stock fuel system to adequately keep up with power adders like the supercharger or a turbo system. I can't remember the exact numbers but TRD says the blower adds about 75 hp to the 3.4. Logic should tell you that if you add 75 hp worth of air you need 75 hp worth of fuel to go with it. You added the S/C to get the air. What have you added to get the fuel? Without the proper fuel needed things start getting too hot. Pistons get weak and melt or break ring lands. Heads running too hot crack usually between valve seats. Detonation can really tear up an engine and can go as far as snapping a connecting rod without you hearing the first "ping".
Have fun with your supercharger and your truck. Do your best to "balance" your system so you can have more fun and not worry about doing harm to your engine.
All you have to do is look at this logically. You simply cannot expect a stock fuel system to adequately keep up with power adders like the supercharger or a turbo system. I can't remember the exact numbers but TRD says the blower adds about 75 hp to the 3.4. Logic should tell you that if you add 75 hp worth of air you need 75 hp worth of fuel to go with it. You added the S/C to get the air. What have you added to get the fuel? Without the proper fuel needed things start getting too hot. Pistons get weak and melt or break ring lands. Heads running too hot crack usually between valve seats. Detonation can really tear up an engine and can go as far as snapping a connecting rod without you hearing the first "ping".
Have fun with your supercharger and your truck. Do your best to "balance" your system so you can have more fun and not worry about doing harm to your engine.
If that doesn't sink in peoples heads, then I don't know what else will...???
Last edited by Noliwan; 11-07-2005 at 12:26 AM.
#45
Originally Posted by TRDOLMAN
No offense Mt. Goat, but that gauge is pretty useless. For one thing they normally run off a regular O2 sensor. Mark can run one because he has a 96 and does have a regular O2 sensor. Montypower has an air/fuel sensor since he has a 99 model so it won't work...
#46
Originally Posted by mt_goat
I meant with a regular O2 sensor installed for the signal of course. I guess the a/f gauge would be more important if he had fuel mods and was tuning though.
#47
Originally Posted by TRDOLMAN
You cannot read open loop AFRs from the OBDII port. You can read closed loop fuel trims with a scan tool like the BR3 and your computer but not open loop AFRs.
Last edited by marko3xl3; 11-07-2005 at 08:05 PM.
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