Rear Deflector Install -- Any Tricks??
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Rear Deflector Install -- Any Tricks??
My rear deflector arrived last night!
I was thinking of DIY...I do have to drill all holes myself plus I do have to collapse the rivet nuts.
I went to the hardware store last night to buy/rent a Rivet Nut Collapsing Tool (instructions call for one). I did not find one so, looks like I will try making the "manual" version and crossing my fingers I do it right.
Any advice/tricks-of-the-trade from prior installers on this install? Or, is it better to not risk it and push the liability to a shop and have them install it instead??
Thanks!
JamesDINAN
I was thinking of DIY...I do have to drill all holes myself plus I do have to collapse the rivet nuts.
I went to the hardware store last night to buy/rent a Rivet Nut Collapsing Tool (instructions call for one). I did not find one so, looks like I will try making the "manual" version and crossing my fingers I do it right.
Any advice/tricks-of-the-trade from prior installers on this install? Or, is it better to not risk it and push the liability to a shop and have them install it instead??
Thanks!
JamesDINAN
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The factory 5mm rivnuts require a 9/32" hole. Try to find a bullet bit, they drill a more circular hole than a normal bit (which tends to drill a tri-lobular shaped hole). They are very difficult to set without a tool. I would try to find someone nearby you with a tool. Nothing worse than a spinning rivnut because it wasn't set all the way, plus you don't want your deflector flying off.
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James Dean: Yep, I have all the hardware. I went to Sears to get everything else (drill bits, stop, centerpunch, etc, but they didn't have a drill stop!? That surprised the heck outta me.
I also wanted to see if they had a Rivet Nut Collapsing Tool but they didn't...I'll probably try Home Depot / Lowes tomorrow.
I also wanted to see if they had a Rivet Nut Collapsing Tool but they didn't...I'll probably try Home Depot / Lowes tomorrow.
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You have to make your own. It's incredibly simple, and works far better than the actual "tool" does anyway.
And if you find a Rivnut tool with an M6 mandrel, then you spent entirely too long looking.
All you need is a ~1.5" long bolt (flange bolt works best), a washer and a nut in the same thread pitch and diameter as the Toyota hardware included (M6x1.25 if I recall).
Drilling the correct size hole is FAR more important than the tool you use to install the nut. I was able to get mine on easily once the guy at Copper State hardware showed me how to make this:
http://www.x-eng.co.uk/rivnut.asp
And if you find a Rivnut tool with an M6 mandrel, then you spent entirely too long looking.
All you need is a ~1.5" long bolt (flange bolt works best), a washer and a nut in the same thread pitch and diameter as the Toyota hardware included (M6x1.25 if I recall).
Drilling the correct size hole is FAR more important than the tool you use to install the nut. I was able to get mine on easily once the guy at Copper State hardware showed me how to make this:
http://www.x-eng.co.uk/rivnut.asp
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Midget96: Thanks for the link - the instructions were helpful. Since I do not have a way of drilling the threads out from the nut I think I will go with the way Toyota makes their manual tool. But, the Toyota instructions say to "turn wrench 2 full turns after seating M5 bolt", and I am not quite sure in my head at what point "seated" is. Do they mean, when the rivnut is merely pushed into the hole and flush with the roof panel? I wish they just gave a value (in./lbs., etc.) to torque them to. I was reading other Toyota instructions on installing a roofrack, and in there they say that once the rivnut is torqued to 4-5 in./lbs., THEN it is properly seated. So, that is why I am confused -- at which point is the rivnut "seated"? When it's flush...after nut-turning gets hard...etc.?
Here's a description on Toyota's tool, in order, starting directly above rivnut and working upward: #6 external tooth lock washer, 1/4-20 nut, M5 bolt (w/ 1/4 I.D. washer).
James Dean: I will look for that bullet bit. Toyota instructions call for 7.6mm, which equates to 19/64. Do you think I'd be better off with the 9/32 instead?? I sure don't want to make the hole too big; are you taking into account that deburring could possibly, slightly enlargen the hole? Or, if the hole is too small, should I enlargen it to the point where the rivnut fits tightly or slides in easily?
Regarding the drill stop, Toyota says 3/8" from tip of drill. Maybe I will go 1/4" to be on the safe side...
I feel a little silly about this whole thing because it seems I'm making it into a big production. lol
I'm sure my "over-cautiousness" when I get the first rivnut under my belt. Mainly, I am a little gunshy I guess about drilling into the vehicle and getting the holes the right size (and, obviously in the right locations), and not over-tightening the rivnuts.
Outsane: I purchased mine from TRDparts4u.com. Someone else mentioned you can get them from Irbis Off Road (Aurora CO) as well.
Sorry so long - thanks everyone!!
JamesDINAN
Here's a description on Toyota's tool, in order, starting directly above rivnut and working upward: #6 external tooth lock washer, 1/4-20 nut, M5 bolt (w/ 1/4 I.D. washer).
James Dean: I will look for that bullet bit. Toyota instructions call for 7.6mm, which equates to 19/64. Do you think I'd be better off with the 9/32 instead?? I sure don't want to make the hole too big; are you taking into account that deburring could possibly, slightly enlargen the hole? Or, if the hole is too small, should I enlargen it to the point where the rivnut fits tightly or slides in easily?
Regarding the drill stop, Toyota says 3/8" from tip of drill. Maybe I will go 1/4" to be on the safe side...
I feel a little silly about this whole thing because it seems I'm making it into a big production. lol
I'm sure my "over-cautiousness" when I get the first rivnut under my belt. Mainly, I am a little gunshy I guess about drilling into the vehicle and getting the holes the right size (and, obviously in the right locations), and not over-tightening the rivnuts.
Outsane: I purchased mine from TRDparts4u.com. Someone else mentioned you can get them from Irbis Off Road (Aurora CO) as well.
Sorry so long - thanks everyone!!
JamesDINAN
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Got any pics of the before and after?
I was actually gonna get the same thing from TRDparts4u but I decided to just get a Jaos Spoiler instead. I just couldn't picture myself drilling any holes on my rig.
I was actually gonna get the same thing from TRDparts4u but I decided to just get a Jaos Spoiler instead. I just couldn't picture myself drilling any holes on my rig.
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Nope, no before/after pix...didn't see the need. I am not a fan of the Jaos style, but then again I am not a big fan of the 4th gen. In your small profile pic, it looks good though!
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