A little more steel to supplement the recycled pop cans toyota put there can't hurt - too much. And hey, it holds lights too!

 

Aside from a full on car vs car collision, I dont see how a brushguard is gonna cause more damage. My friend back into the front my 4runner in his driveway one day. The back bumper of his jeep was pushed in and not a scratch on my brushguard. If I wouldnt of had my brushguard, my bumper would of been pushed in to. As much as i hate to admit it, i hit a baby deer with my 4runner one night. Its head bounced off one of the center supports of my brushguard and then I ran over it. I cant help but to think that if i didnt have my brushguard, the deer would of taken off my bumper. I mean, I just dont see you logic behind this. If im wrong, feel free to tell me but im just going off experiences.

Kick your WAAG brushguard as hard as you can and see what happens, then take it off and kick your grill or hood as hard as you can and see what happens.

 

This is what I was thinking myself.

 

Kicking isn't the same thing as a 75lb+ deer smacking into your front end at 50 mph. Remember back in physics class? (I googled and cannot find the equation for impact nor can I remember the equation).

 

principles are the same. How does the brushguard cause more damage then if the deer were to land directly on the hood or gril?

 

I'm talking about if the deer hits the front end, not landing on the hood. Like I stated earlier I'm not an expert on metals. I've just witnessed what happened to my Uncle's truck with a brushguard and a winch hitting the deer as the police stated at 50 some odd miles per hour. The results?: the winch and the "bar" from the brushguard was shoved into the radiator. I will give him a call and see if he has any pics and I'll find a way to upload it. My argument is impact theory... and I found the equation I hope ignoring the other factors such as elasticity

edit: equation incomplete....

 

impact theory is great and all but your missing the point. If you hit a deer or anything at all, logic is telling me that its gonna cause more damage to thinner metals then thicker metals. The brushguards are made to allow for SOME protection. I have a hard time believe that your tin foil bumper, plastic grill, and hood are gonna provide the same amount of protection.

I don't know of a brushguard similar to a WAAG, MANIK, WESTIN, or a stock toyota one that is capable of handling a winch.

 

Lookin nice....bet its nice to have it back!

 

I'm impressed you repaired it. Usually an insurance company around these parts would write it off to spare them the trouble...

 

this right here is a good reason of why you shouldn't buy a brush guard, i regret buyin myne. i should have saved up for a bumper https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/no-more-4runner-me-101885/

 

yes the brushguard is fubared but what would the damage have been if there was no brushguard?

 

What do you think is going to happen? Brushguard or not If you hit a car like in this post your car is going to be damaged.

I am growing tired of my own post...bottom line Brushgaurd will protect you from Brush and shopping carts. TJM/ARB will get you away with bikes, low speed plastic car bumbers and some trees plus the above.



I am also surprized they repaired it. If it was my insurance it would have been totaled and I would have bought it back and parted it. Went through my girlfriends policy, as a no-fault.

 

Brush guards can be bent into the hood, light and everything else behind them at low impact speeds. The force of a 2 ton+ truck rolling into something even going less than 5mph and you kicking the brush guard are NOT THE SAME! for example:

The hood damage WOULD NOT have occurred if not for the brush guard $1,200 worth of repair instead of $50



But they do look cool and are a good place to stack your lights.

 

I may have misunderstood you... I'm not saying having a brushguard will do more damage than a stock bumper and grill, but I am saying that it will not always offer the best protection as they can still be shoved into the front end. Poeple assume they will have ultimate protection just by having a brushguard, not always so. Yes it I would believe it offers protection to some degree but if you slammed into say a pole at a certain velocity then YES it will STILL cause damage to the front end. Put another mass such as a deer it will still cause damage. Like I said I've seen it and with a winch IN THE RADIATOR. Warn makes a brushguard that holds a winch. http://www.truckperformance.com/prod...mer+Series+Kit I had one on my old Blazer and almost purchased one for my 4Runner but decided against it as I liked the looks of a TJM or ARB better.

 

As far as debates go, this is a dumb one. Stock vehicles offer no protection from rocks, deer, or low speed vehicle impacts. Some light bars are designed to offer some protection while others are purely cosmetic and may even increase damage to a vehicle in certain types of impacts.
A full on bull bar, or custom bumper that provides for full coverage will be very helpful with impacts at low speeds and will minimize damage at higher speeds.
But if you give it some thought-- no matter how heavy duty the bumper is that you bolt on--it is still bolted on-- and trust me, that Toyota frame is some seriously thin material--and the newer rigs are designed to crumple.
Nothing will prevent damage if the impact is hard enough.
This is why you should try to build your rig big enough to just run over obstacles instead.