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New Suspension Setup - TRD Front Lift for a 3rd Gen 4Runner!
#361
Originally Posted by RTdawgs
geeze. i feel like i already have a lot of body roll. after i switched to 881s from SAWs, the 881s felt a lot more stable, less roll. but the 881s arent cutting it for me, they drove me nuts this weekend on my first real 4WD trip since they were on. they have a real hard time compressing and extending over quick, sharp bumps on the forest service roads, its quite jarring.
#362
Originally Posted by RTdawgs
geeze. i feel like i already have a lot of body roll. after i switched to 881s from SAWs, the 881s felt a lot more stable, less roll. but the 881s arent cutting it for me, they drove me nuts this weekend on my first real 4WD trip since they were on. they have a real hard time compressing and extending over quick, sharp bumps on the forest service roads, its quite jarring.
However, there is one way you can have both - stiffer sway bar. With it attached, you'll limit body roll, but then disconnect it offroad and you'll have full flex.
I've already bent my sway bar to hell and back just palying around w/ it attached. You need to make sure to disconnect it before you do any flexing or you'll tweek the hell outta it.
#363
Originally Posted by bamachem
It's a tradeoff, if you want on-road stability, then you're going to have stiff springs and you'll lose off-road flex. If you want off-raod flex, then you'll sacrifice cornering on-road.
However, there is one way you can have both - stiffer sway bar. With it attached, you'll limit body roll, but then disconnect it offroad and you'll have full flex.
I've already bent my sway bar to hell and back just palying around w/ it attached. You need to make sure to disconnect it before you do any flexing or you'll tweek the hell outta it.
However, there is one way you can have both - stiffer sway bar. With it attached, you'll limit body roll, but then disconnect it offroad and you'll have full flex.
I've already bent my sway bar to hell and back just palying around w/ it attached. You need to make sure to disconnect it before you do any flexing or you'll tweek the hell outta it.
Will my nukes work with the bigger Addco bar?
#364
Originally Posted by RTdawgs
very true. I guess i'll install the Tunrda coils and see how bad it is. Then i can order an Addco swaybar if i need to.
Will my nukes work with the bigger Addco bar?
Will my nukes work with the bigger Addco bar?
I think just the stock bar is fine. That Addco thing is freaken huge.
#366
Originally Posted by sschaefer3
That's a good combo, just keep all "inside the assembly" spacers far far away from those. You could run Andys top out but NO CORNBRED or REVTEK inside style spacers.
You'll destroy it.
You'll destroy it.
#367
Originally Posted by FilthyRich
I ordered the 3/8" Revtek spacer with their longer studs over a month ago. I knew i was going to use the new setup and at the time Andy had nothing in the works. The top out spacer is all i'm using up front with the OME shocks and Tundra spring. I will be putting my bull bar on in the next week and we'll see if I need a 1/2." Either way, I love my new set-up. I have a real DD that doesn't beat the crap out of me
#368
For anyone considering this setup, i have an extra set of 4WD TRD Tunrda coils (Yellow/Blue, Yellow/Yellow) that i need to get rid of. they came off a 2003 Tunrda Access Cab w/ TRD package and less than 8000 miles.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
#369
Originally Posted by RTdawgs
For anyone considering this setup, i have an extra set of 4WD TRD Tunrda coils (Yellow/Blue, Yellow/Yellow) that i need to get rid of. they came off a 2003 Tunrda Access Cab w/ TRD package and less than 8000 miles.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
#371
Originally Posted by sschaefer3
I would use the yellow/yellow blue/yellow and sell off the other set.
#372
Originally Posted by RTdawgs
For anyone considering this setup, i have an extra set of 4WD TRD Tunrda coils (Yellow/Blue, Yellow/Yellow) that i need to get rid of. they came off a 2003 Tunrda Access Cab w/ TRD package and less than 8000 miles.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
Please PM me, no hijacking.
#375
Originally Posted by terryjmatthew
I know this sounds stupid but will the Tundra shocks work or coils only?
#376
Gapguy,
I am looking at the coilovers on Tundrasolutions that you also looked at.
Why did you not pick them up? I was thinking of picking them up for installation later.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matthew
I am looking at the coilovers on Tundrasolutions that you also looked at.
Why did you not pick them up? I was thinking of picking them up for installation later.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matthew
#377
Originally Posted by terryjmatthew
Gapguy,
I am looking at the coilovers on Tundrasolutions that you also looked at.
Why did you not pick them up? I was thinking of picking them up for installation later.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matthew
I am looking at the coilovers on Tundrasolutions that you also looked at.
Why did you not pick them up? I was thinking of picking them up for installation later.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matthew
#378
I just came across this in an old thread, and it's very informative concerning OME springs...
Here's what ARB-USA had to say:
If you want 2" of lift, than OME isn't your brand. Our lift is only gives you approximately 1.25" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the rear. And if your wondering you can't use coil spacers with our system...
The reason we say no spacers, is that our springs weren't engineered for more than one 5mm trim packer (spacer)per side of the vehicle and we only recommend these if the vehicle is leaning to one side which is common on a lot of new vehicles with stock suspension. It is very rare for our springs to sag below there specification. In most cases when you install our springs
it will sit a bit higher than our advertised lift. After the driver takes
the vehicle out wheeling for the first time and flexes the suspension a great deal, the springs will settle. We experience a lot of people calling us complaining of there vehicle sagging when really the springs have just broken themselves in and are where they're supposed to be. For the front springs, the only difference is that the heavy duty springs (OME881) are a few millimeters taller to compensate for the added weight. Both the heavy
duty and light duty springs have the same spring rate...
Here is your requested information on our shocks:
N86/N86C 539mm (extended) 329mm (compressed)
N91S 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)
N91SC 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)
Thank you for you interest in our products and have a good day.
Best Regards,
Steven Bisig
ARB Tech Dept
ARB-USA
sbisig@arbusa.com
So, the OME front coils are designed for 1.25" of lift, and the rear ones are designed for 2.5". Trying for that dragster look??? Why the hell do they sell them for 4runners then? Makes you wonder. If you're heavier, then you should go up a step or two on the coil numbers to keep the ride hieght the same. They DON'T recommend using a 881 or 882 on a stock truck to get 2+" of lift because the ride will be harsh. That was posted by ravencr in 2003, but went mostly UNNOTICED by anyone here until now...
In other words, ARB/OME DOES NOT RECOMMEND their coils for a 2" lift in the front. You can do it, but it will be a firm ride, reduced compressibility, and in the long run, your off-road capabilities may be comprimised - their words, not mine.
That means you're other choices are cornfed, revtek, or daystar spacers, or Toyota Tundra Coils - unless of course you're in southern Cal and you run the desert, then you should consider SAWS or KINGs or Donahoes. As far as quality goes, I think we can all agree that the Toyota Tundra coils is the best way to go since they don't involve inside the pack spacers that will stiffen the ride. Next after that would be the cornfed spacers, simply because you can choose a height that will maximize the sesign of the suspension without compromising droop. After that, I'd list Revtek and Daystar as a tie for the bottom of the barrel. Both are cheaply made and neither offer the optimal 2" of lift that will maximize off-road flex while maintaining on-road comfort. Save the desert running stuff for just that - the desert. Anywhere else and it's out of place and isn't best suited for the application.
Here's what ARB-USA had to say:
If you want 2" of lift, than OME isn't your brand. Our lift is only gives you approximately 1.25" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the rear. And if your wondering you can't use coil spacers with our system...
The reason we say no spacers, is that our springs weren't engineered for more than one 5mm trim packer (spacer)per side of the vehicle and we only recommend these if the vehicle is leaning to one side which is common on a lot of new vehicles with stock suspension. It is very rare for our springs to sag below there specification. In most cases when you install our springs
it will sit a bit higher than our advertised lift. After the driver takes
the vehicle out wheeling for the first time and flexes the suspension a great deal, the springs will settle. We experience a lot of people calling us complaining of there vehicle sagging when really the springs have just broken themselves in and are where they're supposed to be. For the front springs, the only difference is that the heavy duty springs (OME881) are a few millimeters taller to compensate for the added weight. Both the heavy
duty and light duty springs have the same spring rate...
Here is your requested information on our shocks:
N86/N86C 539mm (extended) 329mm (compressed)
N91S 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)
N91SC 470mm (extended) 335mm (compressed)
Thank you for you interest in our products and have a good day.
Best Regards,
Steven Bisig
ARB Tech Dept
ARB-USA
sbisig@arbusa.com
So, the OME front coils are designed for 1.25" of lift, and the rear ones are designed for 2.5". Trying for that dragster look??? Why the hell do they sell them for 4runners then? Makes you wonder. If you're heavier, then you should go up a step or two on the coil numbers to keep the ride hieght the same. They DON'T recommend using a 881 or 882 on a stock truck to get 2+" of lift because the ride will be harsh. That was posted by ravencr in 2003, but went mostly UNNOTICED by anyone here until now...
In other words, ARB/OME DOES NOT RECOMMEND their coils for a 2" lift in the front. You can do it, but it will be a firm ride, reduced compressibility, and in the long run, your off-road capabilities may be comprimised - their words, not mine.
That means you're other choices are cornfed, revtek, or daystar spacers, or Toyota Tundra Coils - unless of course you're in southern Cal and you run the desert, then you should consider SAWS or KINGs or Donahoes. As far as quality goes, I think we can all agree that the Toyota Tundra coils is the best way to go since they don't involve inside the pack spacers that will stiffen the ride. Next after that would be the cornfed spacers, simply because you can choose a height that will maximize the sesign of the suspension without compromising droop. After that, I'd list Revtek and Daystar as a tie for the bottom of the barrel. Both are cheaply made and neither offer the optimal 2" of lift that will maximize off-road flex while maintaining on-road comfort. Save the desert running stuff for just that - the desert. Anywhere else and it's out of place and isn't best suited for the application.
Last edited by bamachem; 11-18-2004 at 07:07 AM.