how do, first post, and help a brotha out...idle problems
#1
how do, first post, and help a brotha out...idle problems
first off just wanna say hey to all y'all yota fans out there.
here is my situation. i initially had problems with idling on cold starts, and by cold i mean engine cold, not ambient cold. if i didnt feather the throttle, the engine would die, but after a few minutes of warm up, the problem 'went away'. well, i was on my way home last night and the engine simply stalled as i was driving. it starts with no problem, both when the initial problem occurred, as well as now. however, i am no longer able to warm it up, and it continues to stall. i have a check engine light on as well.
so, my question is, can someone out there tell me if there is a way to read my code via the check engine light. i tried to google the problem, and found a description of how to jumper terminals which results in a flashing sequence, but that was for a 93 4runner, so i don't know if it is applicable to my 99. i appreciate any help y'all can offer.
here is my situation. i initially had problems with idling on cold starts, and by cold i mean engine cold, not ambient cold. if i didnt feather the throttle, the engine would die, but after a few minutes of warm up, the problem 'went away'. well, i was on my way home last night and the engine simply stalled as i was driving. it starts with no problem, both when the initial problem occurred, as well as now. however, i am no longer able to warm it up, and it continues to stall. i have a check engine light on as well.
so, my question is, can someone out there tell me if there is a way to read my code via the check engine light. i tried to google the problem, and found a description of how to jumper terminals which results in a flashing sequence, but that was for a 93 4runner, so i don't know if it is applicable to my 99. i appreciate any help y'all can offer.
#5
your probably definitely going to need the code from your CEL. Auto Zone will do it for free, but as you stated, its not driveable. Throwing parts at an unknown problem is a great way to waste money, see what you can narrow down...
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#12
Ride, you're really going to have to get those codes pulled with an OBD II reader before we can help since you can only use the jumper trick on OBD I or earlier models and to just guess at the issue isn't going to help you much with fixing the problem. You can take it to Autozone and have them read for free, take it to a shop or buy and OBD reader and do it at home yourself.
#13
thanks MTL, and everyone else!
yeah my plan is to pick up a code reader and give it a go this weekend
i have a 'wrench' in my pocket, that is to say a good buddy of mine has a shop but he is 50+ miles away, so as sketch as my truck is right now i cant drive it to him, or a shop. i'm gonna have to try to diagnose it myself, with y'alls help of course, once i get a code reader. i'm glad i found this forum, y'all seem like a real helpful bunch!
yeah my plan is to pick up a code reader and give it a go this weekend
i have a 'wrench' in my pocket, that is to say a good buddy of mine has a shop but he is 50+ miles away, so as sketch as my truck is right now i cant drive it to him, or a shop. i'm gonna have to try to diagnose it myself, with y'alls help of course, once i get a code reader. i'm glad i found this forum, y'all seem like a real helpful bunch!
#14
i picked up an Actron CP9125 code reader at autozone yesterday for $79.
hooked it up today
codes it read were
P0125 <--EDIT: loaded software that came w/...Fuel Air Metering
P1133<--Manufacturer Control FAM
P1135<--Same as above
it also ?!?!?!? listed P1133 and P1135 as pd (pending) with up/down arrows
i scrolled through the menu further and saw the following
MILL ON
MONITORS
2 INC
CAT
EVAP
5 Ready
MISFIRE
FUEL
COMP
O2 SENSOR
O2 HTR
hooked it up today
codes it read were
P0125 <--EDIT: loaded software that came w/...Fuel Air Metering
P1133<--Manufacturer Control FAM
P1135<--Same as above
it also ?!?!?!? listed P1133 and P1135 as pd (pending) with up/down arrows
i scrolled through the menu further and saw the following
MILL ON
MONITORS
2 INC
CAT
EVAP
5 Ready
MISFIRE
FUEL
COMP
O2 SENSOR
O2 HTR
Last edited by ridetoofast; 12-09-2006 at 11:07 AM.
#15
Ok from the codes you gave I have the following for a Toyota:
P0125 Insufficient Coolant Temperature for Closed Loop Fuel Control
P1133 A/F Sensor Circuit Response (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
P1135 A/F Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
(The pending codes just means that the ECU is seeing them come up over and over again....ie counting)
Thie tells me that the O2 sensor is likely bad (P0133, P0135) so the first thing I would do is to replace the front O2 sensor (ie the one in front of the cat). www.urdusa.com has very good prices on OEM sensors (don't use a generic for replacement!). The P0125 code can be from the O2 sensor or it may not. I would replace the sensor first. Pull the negative battery cable for a minute to reset all the codes and drive it again. Then see if any codes return......if you do see a CEL, use your code reader and repost the new ones.
P0125 Insufficient Coolant Temperature for Closed Loop Fuel Control
P1133 A/F Sensor Circuit Response (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
P1135 A/F Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
(The pending codes just means that the ECU is seeing them come up over and over again....ie counting)
Thie tells me that the O2 sensor is likely bad (P0133, P0135) so the first thing I would do is to replace the front O2 sensor (ie the one in front of the cat). www.urdusa.com has very good prices on OEM sensors (don't use a generic for replacement!). The P0125 code can be from the O2 sensor or it may not. I would replace the sensor first. Pull the negative battery cable for a minute to reset all the codes and drive it again. Then see if any codes return......if you do see a CEL, use your code reader and repost the new ones.
Last edited by MTL_4runner; 12-09-2006 at 03:25 PM.
#17
P1133: A/F Sensor Circuit Response (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
P1135: A/F Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
P1135: A/F Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
Last edited by EWAYota; 12-09-2006 at 12:28 PM.
#18
Sorry about that, I had them wrong (so I edited them above), but the irony is that the P1133 and P1135 are just for a vehicle that has an A/F sensor in front of the converter vs P0133 and P0135 which would be a vehicle that had just O2 sensors. The codes are essentially Identical and so would be my advice except you need to make sure you get an Air/Fuel (A/F) sensor, not just a regular O2.
#20
new wrinkle
what part of the vin tells me whether or not its cali certified? i learned today that it makes a difference which sensor i buy.
also, can any of you speak to the success of online purchase/quality? vs yota oem?
thanks again!
note to a mod that might read this. i also post on another v'bulletin coded board and it has a feature at the bottom for a 'quick reply'. it went over well there, perhaps the users here would enjoy it?
what part of the vin tells me whether or not its cali certified? i learned today that it makes a difference which sensor i buy.
also, can any of you speak to the success of online purchase/quality? vs yota oem?
thanks again!
note to a mod that might read this. i also post on another v'bulletin coded board and it has a feature at the bottom for a 'quick reply'. it went over well there, perhaps the users here would enjoy it?