I thought about that too, do the air shocks stiffen it up a good bit? The problem I incurred during towing was not only excessive up and down movement on expansion joints, but the sway on the uneven surface to and this was with a friction swaybar on the camper tongue. That never happened with the OME's. When a big rig came flying by me at about 80mph, it was white knuckle time for me. The LC coils are great, cheap and ride and flex good, but for towing safety the OME's might be a safer bet.

The difference between towing with the LC coils and towing with the OME's would be probably like removing the rear swaybar. You might not notice it that much b/c you're pretty used to that kind of sway, but when it's hooked to a camper that is longer than the tow vehicle it could make for a very bad day. I'm just gonna have to sacrifice a little offroad ability.

 

Thanks for the offer Raven.

 

Well, it's got to be safe, that's for sure.

The air springs with the valve would help you a lot, but it sounds like you've made the decision to go back to the OME's.

Chris

 

Any new developements with the 3rd generation set up? With these front LC coils on the rear, I would have thought the drive shaft angle would be too much and eventually do some damage or vibration.

Has anyone experienced any of these symptoms or think the angle might be too much for the long run ?

Thanks !

 

It's fine, and the only thing I'm going to do since I'm running the 8 wraps is when I make my new adjustable upper links, I'm going to adjust them a tad longer so at normal drive height the pinion isn't as tilted downward as it is now. Most everyone is running 7 wrap coils, though, and they shouldn't have any problems at all.

Chris

 

Here's a quick pic of my girl flexing out... mostly due to the FJ80 Coils. They are amazing. I am trying to decide if I will do coil overs in front as well as I need to replace my all-pro springs (They suck!) Move to a 4 link system. Still You can't beet the articulation I have!



Sorry about size I am steeling this from anothers site

 

Molly, again nice rig. My 4Runner's all stock, but it would be fun to go do some moderate trails next summer. Maybe do a run with Ric and those guys that go like every weekend.

 

Molly, is that stock links in the rear? What's your exact setup in the rear?

Chris

 

I am not sure whether to get 7 wraps or 8, seeing that I like the slight rake look... If I did the swap to a pair of 8's with my OME N86's what more would I have to do?

-Panhard bar drop
-Brake lines
-Adjustable upper links??? Is this a major mod job?

Keep us posted. I assume you dont have any vibrations ,etc ?
Cheers!

 

i think the 8 wraps with a stock rear bumper might be quite a bit of rake...but i dont know.

 

From what I've been seeing it appears the rear would be in the ballpark of 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches higher than the front. Call me crazy, but I dig the rear around 2 inches higher than the front I have a speaker box in the back, perhaps that would help.

 

Hey Chris, is the desert dune 4 runner you posted have a body lift too ?

 

You'll definitely need a panhard drop or prebent panhard from Sonoran Steel. You'll want the extended rear brake line, either standard or SS from All-pro or equivalent. As far as the upper links, if you go with the 7 wrap coils, you'll be fine without them being adjustable. If you go with 8 wrap coils and you have a stock bumper, your backend is going to be way too high. Part of the reason mine isn't totally out of whack is that I have a custom gas tank in the rear spare tire location, plus a heavy 3/16" full skid plate, plus a custom 3/16" rear bumper, so with the additional weight I'm carying around behing my rear axle, it's fine. If you're running stock everything, I wouldn't get anything but the 7 wrap coils.

If you eventually go with more aftermarket heavy stuff in the rear, you might need or want the 8 wraps then, but most likely you'll be fine with the 7 wraps still. Maybe a trim packer or two, but the added the height of the 8 wraps is pretty substantial and no needed for most.

I'm not 100% sure I have any vibration, but I might have a very slight amount. When I talk about adjustable upper links, unless you have your own welder, yes it's a fairly expensive thing to do. I'm fabbing up my own upper links, which will consist of a standard 2 1/8" urethane bushing on one end with 3/4" threaded rod for adjustability, and a small RE joint on the other end with 3/4" threaded rod, so my adjustability will be more than I need. When I say I might have a very slight vibration, it's probably only going to take <1/2" of adjustment to correct the pinion at normal ride height. I'm adding the increased adjustability because I'm also in the process of designing new custom lower links, and when that time comes I'm going to push the axle back a tad, but not more than an 1" most likely.

Does that help?

Chris

 

Roofgoof, that 4runner I had is long gone, and it didn't have a body lift on it. It was my original 4runner I bought, and sold it for the one I have now with the factory e-locked rear end.

Chris

P.S. Your speaker box isn't going to hurt, but it's not near the weight of what you'd need to level out your truck.

 

Cool, thanks Chris.
I know of a few guys with these coils 4sale...and I think I want to give it a shot.

I know Brian has 8 coils and a stock rear bumper and love the stance he has...

It worries me though that there is no regularity between these LC coils from year to year.
Maybe I will just do the 7 wrap and we'll just see what happens....

 

Chris, I wonder if he was talking about the pics you posted of my 4Runner? If so, I have a 1" bodylift.

 

Yeah, I thiink you are the 4runner I was talking about. Cool, thanks. I thought it might look like you had a BL on it...wasnt sure. I have a 2 inch, thats why I was curious.

 

Would love to cath upo with you. PM me with your email and IM and stuff. We are running this sunday I think...

 

Spider tracks adjustable 4link but we had to weld the hell outta those onto the frame as they were shifting.... I move to front coil overs then the 4 link whill change again...

My whole delio is here.... https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f78/molly-aka-lysmachias-profile-73982/

I might wheel this friday and again on Sunday. Who's in? PM me or email me at molly(dot)houck(at)gmail(dot)com

 

Well, I went back to the OME 891's today as the LC coils just didn't work for my towing needs. I added Daystar 1.5" spacers (Thanks Steve) and the factory cone to the 891's and it rides firmer now-the same as my original setup of 891's and factory cone.

I took some measurements with the gas tank at 3/4 full. It measured 16.25" drivers side and 16.8" on the passenger side from the top of the rim to the bottom of the fender flare. That is roughly the same height at 16.25" as the LC coils (gas tank empty). With the gas tank full on the LC coils the drivers side sagged roughly to 15.5", so I guess I've actually got more rear lift now.

But why is the passengers side higher (yes I put the longer OME coil on the drivers side)?

I'll post up later when I get some loaded figures up, but that may be a couple of weeks with the holidays and vacation time.

Oh, one last thing, after studying the rear suspension a little more-I'm now a believer that the Panhard may be the main factor in limiting drivers side droop and not the e-brake cable (although it does play a part).