4.7 swap on 2nd gen?
#41
Originally Posted by Cebby
...All bets are off though if I start crapping money...
It would pay for a supercharged 3.4L to go in, a new tranny, pay Gadget to come down here for a week with his greek-speaking SMT-6 to tune it and install the fuel delivery system, and in general make it have *tool man tim grunt* UGH! POWER! UGH!
Hey why not do the 4.7L v8 swap AND super charge it?
ps - it would also pay for a set of Optima Blue Top Group 31's, a 200 amp alt, a Zapco c2k-2.0, and a set of Image Dynamics Chameleons.
Last edited by Bumpin' Yota; 03-02-2004 at 09:40 PM.
#42
Just remember what happens when you start adding oodles of power to a truck that was equipped with a 150 hp v-6. things start breaking. I'm not saying that if you take it easy something will break, but keep in mind that there are drivetrain parts that might need to be upgraded when you put all that power into it. I'm mainly talking about supercharging the V-8.
#43
Why not a 4th gen V6?
I have the 4th Gen V8 and I love the whole combination, it's one sweet vehicle. However will need to fix the ground clearance as previously said.
Just a thought, why not look into the the new V6. A couple of reasons:
1) It's a newer design than the V8, will be on market longer probably
2)It weighs a lot less that the V8, I believe 100lb or more (dont know exact number), will save front suspension on older gens
3)A manual tranny will be availible for it with the new Tacoma coming, I dont think it will ever happen with the V8
4)Should be able to get it cheaper than the V8 in a year or so, as there will be many more on the market than the V8
5)Is smaller than the V8 and would fit in the older gens easier
6)Oh and did I mention it makes 10 HP more than the V8, it has less torque. But with the wieght of a older gen 4Runner it will still pull like a train
The only reason I got the V8, is because I love the 5 spd auto. Need auto for my commute, and auto trannies love torque more than HP.
Just a thought, why not look into the the new V6. A couple of reasons:
1) It's a newer design than the V8, will be on market longer probably
2)It weighs a lot less that the V8, I believe 100lb or more (dont know exact number), will save front suspension on older gens
3)A manual tranny will be availible for it with the new Tacoma coming, I dont think it will ever happen with the V8
4)Should be able to get it cheaper than the V8 in a year or so, as there will be many more on the market than the V8
5)Is smaller than the V8 and would fit in the older gens easier
6)Oh and did I mention it makes 10 HP more than the V8, it has less torque. But with the wieght of a older gen 4Runner it will still pull like a train
The only reason I got the V8, is because I love the 5 spd auto. Need auto for my commute, and auto trannies love torque more than HP.
#44
Cha-ching !
Think I gotta side with Sac State on this one. True, Cebby, the truck is paid for, but to mod the truck to handle the 4.7, will take more than "simply swapping in the new engine". Some considerations you may not (or maybe you have) thought of that will impact cost of the mod:
1. Engine ($2k, easy)
2. Tranny ($500)
3. T-case (do you think your existing t-case will adapt to the tranny ? $300 for a junkyard Tundra/$1500 for a Marlin/Atlas)
4. driveshaft ($500)
5. axle(s) (Who knows how much ?)
6. suspension (Don't think your existing suspension can support a 4.7L).
And this is without any additional tools or labor you will require. And then I probably missed some stuff too ! (i.e. radiator, etc)
Consider the costs... All of a sudden getting a used 4th Gen isn't so expensive.
Steve
1. Engine ($2k, easy)
2. Tranny ($500)
3. T-case (do you think your existing t-case will adapt to the tranny ? $300 for a junkyard Tundra/$1500 for a Marlin/Atlas)
4. driveshaft ($500)
5. axle(s) (Who knows how much ?)
6. suspension (Don't think your existing suspension can support a 4.7L).
And this is without any additional tools or labor you will require. And then I probably missed some stuff too ! (i.e. radiator, etc)
Consider the costs... All of a sudden getting a used 4th Gen isn't so expensive.
Steve
#45
You know, I don't mean to be a bubble burster, but what's wrong with a Chevy small block... The new all-aluminum 5.3L out of the Trailblazer seems like a pirme candidate for an engine swap: light and full of power. Just something to think about.
If I were trying an engine swap any time soon, I would aim for this engine with a good 5-speed.
If I were trying an engine swap any time soon, I would aim for this engine with a good 5-speed.
#46
Thanks for the replies gents. I'm still thinking about this, but there are other things likely to come first.
First off, this swap will likely not be tackled until the 3.0 dies. If it doesn't die, then the swap doesn't happen for the foreseeable future. Slow still gets me there.
I'm not interested in making gobs of power. No supercharging. I like torque, that's why I'm entertaining the V8. I just want this thing to get out of its own way on the road. Off road, the 3.0 is just fine. The bigger issue is the inability to add a crawler box to the 3.0 auto tranny. I like having an auto and won't ever get another manual.
The 4.0 1UZFE might be the ticket instead of the 4.7 (2UZFE?). Cheaper and more plentiful. Those Aussies that are blazing the trail with this swap will have all the bugs worked out by the time I get around to doing it. Maybe the 4.0 V6 will be cheap enough by the time I'm ready like Bulldog mentioned.
Sure, the 4th Gens are nice. Too nice (and too big) compared to my 2nd gen. Narrow tree-lined trails out East here. The ground clearance issue is also a factor. No amount of convincing will make me warm up to them. Maybe time will change that. My wife likes them, so that's another strike against...
First off, this swap will likely not be tackled until the 3.0 dies. If it doesn't die, then the swap doesn't happen for the foreseeable future. Slow still gets me there.
I'm not interested in making gobs of power. No supercharging. I like torque, that's why I'm entertaining the V8. I just want this thing to get out of its own way on the road. Off road, the 3.0 is just fine. The bigger issue is the inability to add a crawler box to the 3.0 auto tranny. I like having an auto and won't ever get another manual.
The 4.0 1UZFE might be the ticket instead of the 4.7 (2UZFE?). Cheaper and more plentiful. Those Aussies that are blazing the trail with this swap will have all the bugs worked out by the time I get around to doing it. Maybe the 4.0 V6 will be cheap enough by the time I'm ready like Bulldog mentioned.
Originally Posted by CEBBY
Engine Tranny Transfercase can be had in my area for about $3500. Maybe another $200 for the ECU. I'd do the work myself. By the way, I have an auto now and would stick with that. Even if it's another $1000 in misc. parts, it would be like a new vehicle (to me anyway) for the cost of the swap.
#47
Originally Posted by Cebby
Thanks for the replies gents. I'm still thinking about this, but there are other things likely to come first.
First off, this swap will likely not be tackled until the 3.0 dies. If it doesn't die, then the swap doesn't happen for the foreseeable future. Slow still gets me there.
I'm not interested in making gobs of power. No supercharging. I like torque, that's why I'm entertaining the V8. I just want this thing to get out of its own way on the road. Off road, the 3.0 is just fine. The bigger issue is the inability to add a crawler box to the 3.0 auto tranny. I like having an auto and won't ever get another manual.
The 4.0 1UZFE might be the ticket instead of the 4.7 (2UZFE?). Cheaper and more plentiful. Those Aussies that are blazing the trail with this swap will have all the bugs worked out by the time I get around to doing it. Maybe the 4.0 V6 will be cheap enough by the time I'm ready like Bulldog mentioned.
Sure, the 4th Gens are nice. Too nice (and too big) compared to my 2nd gen. Narrow tree-lined trails out East here. The ground clearance issue is also a factor. No amount of convincing will make me warm up to them. Maybe time will change that. My wife likes them, so that's another strike against...
First off, this swap will likely not be tackled until the 3.0 dies. If it doesn't die, then the swap doesn't happen for the foreseeable future. Slow still gets me there.
I'm not interested in making gobs of power. No supercharging. I like torque, that's why I'm entertaining the V8. I just want this thing to get out of its own way on the road. Off road, the 3.0 is just fine. The bigger issue is the inability to add a crawler box to the 3.0 auto tranny. I like having an auto and won't ever get another manual.
The 4.0 1UZFE might be the ticket instead of the 4.7 (2UZFE?). Cheaper and more plentiful. Those Aussies that are blazing the trail with this swap will have all the bugs worked out by the time I get around to doing it. Maybe the 4.0 V6 will be cheap enough by the time I'm ready like Bulldog mentioned.
Sure, the 4th Gens are nice. Too nice (and too big) compared to my 2nd gen. Narrow tree-lined trails out East here. The ground clearance issue is also a factor. No amount of convincing will make me warm up to them. Maybe time will change that. My wife likes them, so that's another strike against...
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