ChefYota4x4's 1987 4Runner Build-Up Thread
11-21-2010, 07:50 PM
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Thanks Clive, I appreciate your chiming in.
Ian, the top portion of the relay is just a cover... you can pop it off. I removed the 87(lights power wire) from the relay, put 12V to it, VOILA. Far as the 'pushed the thingy and the doohicky went on' part? hahahaha.... Actually... I think it is called the 'throw', is it not? "Single Pole, Double Throw?" or "Single Throw, double pole",...oh whatever, lol. What I mean is, when I pushed the lil arm over inside, making contact, ...VOILA, the lights went on.
The diagrams I got before, ...they said "86 is ground" ...not 85. Now I"m wondering if the ground and switch wires are crossed. So just to be clear... the power comes through 30, is relayed through 86, via the switch, then onward to 87? If that's the case, I could try switching them, ....just don't wanna blow anything up, ya know? hahahah.
Ian, the top portion of the relay is just a cover... you can pop it off. I removed the 87(lights power wire) from the relay, put 12V to it, VOILA. Far as the 'pushed the thingy and the doohicky went on' part? hahahaha.... Actually... I think it is called the 'throw', is it not? "Single Pole, Double Throw?" or "Single Throw, double pole",...oh whatever, lol. What I mean is, when I pushed the lil arm over inside, making contact, ...VOILA, the lights went on.
The diagrams I got before, ...they said "86 is ground" ...not 85. Now I"m wondering if the ground and switch wires are crossed. So just to be clear... the power comes through 30, is relayed through 86, via the switch, then onward to 87? If that's the case, I could try switching them, ....just don't wanna blow anything up, ya know? hahahah.
11-21-2010, 07:54 PM
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Generic diagram but wiring is the same.
Turn the switch on and make sure you have power at 86, 30, and 87 with a DVOM or test light. If you have power then ensure you have a good ground to 85 (this is not the ground for the lights, the relay and lights must be grounded seperately). You must have constant battery power at 30 and switched power at 86. If you have power at 87 then its a bad harness to the lights or a bad ground at the lights or bad bulbs.
PS> My relay is a 5 PIN,...s'all they had where I was. Everything is connected properly, wiring wise, and soldered and heat shrunk in, routed properly, plenty of flex loom where needed, and hoop connector grounded to the cross member... Relay grounded to the pass. side firewall. I'll post pics of it all asap. Just have to load it off the camera, and I'm still cleaning up from serving them dinner......
THANKS AGAIN, Gonovr!
Mark
11-21-2010, 08:09 PM
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OOPS, GONOVR posted this diagram... THANK YOU, sir! lol. Ok, ......then the diagrams I got on page 33 of my thread here...they're wrong, just need to switch the 85 and 86 terminals? DANG I hope that does it. Has to, cuz, if I force contact inside the relay, the lights come on.
PS> My relay is a 5 PIN,...s'all they had where I was. Everything is connected properly, wiring wise, and soldered and heat shrunk in, routed properly, plenty of flex loom where needed, and hoop connector grounded to the cross member... Relay grounded to the pass. side firewall. I'll post pics of it all asap. Just have to load it off the camera, and I'm still cleaning up from serving them dinner......
THANKS AGAIN, Gonovr!
Mark
PS> My relay is a 5 PIN,...s'all they had where I was. Everything is connected properly, wiring wise, and soldered and heat shrunk in, routed properly, plenty of flex loom where needed, and hoop connector grounded to the cross member... Relay grounded to the pass. side firewall. I'll post pics of it all asap. Just have to load it off the camera, and I'm still cleaning up from serving them dinner......
THANKS AGAIN, Gonovr!
Mark
11-21-2010, 08:16 PM
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Thanks Clive, I appreciate your chiming in.
Ian, the top portion of the relay is just a cover... you can pop it off. I removed the 87(lights power wire) from the relay, put 12V to it, VOILA. Far as the 'pushed the thingy and the doohicky went on' part? hahahaha.... Actually... I think it is called the 'throw', is it not? "Single Pole, Double Throw?" or "Single Throw, double pole",...oh whatever, lol. What I mean is, when I pushed the lil arm over inside, making contact, ...VOILA, the lights went on.
The diagrams I got before, ...they said "86 is ground" ...not 85. Now I"m wondering if the ground and switch wires are crossed. So just to be clear... the power comes through 30, is relayed through 86, via the switch, then onward to 87? If that's the case, I could try switching them, ....just don't wanna blow anything up, ya know? hahahah.
Ian, the top portion of the relay is just a cover... you can pop it off. I removed the 87(lights power wire) from the relay, put 12V to it, VOILA. Far as the 'pushed the thingy and the doohicky went on' part? hahahaha.... Actually... I think it is called the 'throw', is it not? "Single Pole, Double Throw?" or "Single Throw, double pole",...oh whatever, lol. What I mean is, when I pushed the lil arm over inside, making contact, ...VOILA, the lights went on.
The diagrams I got before, ...they said "86 is ground" ...not 85. Now I"m wondering if the ground and switch wires are crossed. So just to be clear... the power comes through 30, is relayed through 86, via the switch, then onward to 87? If that's the case, I could try switching them, ....just don't wanna blow anything up, ya know? hahahah.
11-21-2010, 08:40 PM
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Hey Gonovr, .....
Well, I tried switching them, nothing. I guess it's safe to say that the relay is getting juice, because... When I hooked it up like you said, but pulled the light-power-wire from 87 and touched it to 87A, the lights lit up. Not sure what's wrong, but let me explain how I did it all.........
1. I wired the 2 wires out of each light behind the bumper, grounded the grounds and joined the power wires for the lights and ran 10G from that soldered joining to the 87 Pin on the relay
2. I ran the ON pin on the switch to the 86 Pin on the relay
3. I ran the OFF pin on the switch to the fuse block in the driver kick panel(used the Ignition Fuse Hole w/ a fuse jumper connector)
4. I ran a good ground from 85 to the Firewall behind another ground.
5. I ran the HOT line from the positive terminal on the battery to the 30 Pin
I even switched the wires to opposite pins on the switch(the switch only has 2 pins), still nothing.
Not sure what could be wrong other than the switch is bad or something? I guess I'll have to take the switch to the engine bay and test it on the wires, direct, just to see if it's working. Or, run 12V to it and flip the switch, see if I get 12V out the other side?
Well, I tried switching them, nothing. I guess it's safe to say that the relay is getting juice, because... When I hooked it up like you said, but pulled the light-power-wire from 87 and touched it to 87A, the lights lit up. Not sure what's wrong, but let me explain how I did it all.........
1. I wired the 2 wires out of each light behind the bumper, grounded the grounds and joined the power wires for the lights and ran 10G from that soldered joining to the 87 Pin on the relay
2. I ran the ON pin on the switch to the 86 Pin on the relay
3. I ran the OFF pin on the switch to the fuse block in the driver kick panel(used the Ignition Fuse Hole w/ a fuse jumper connector)
4. I ran a good ground from 85 to the Firewall behind another ground.
5. I ran the HOT line from the positive terminal on the battery to the 30 Pin
I even switched the wires to opposite pins on the switch(the switch only has 2 pins), still nothing.
Not sure what could be wrong other than the switch is bad or something? I guess I'll have to take the switch to the engine bay and test it on the wires, direct, just to see if it's working. Or, run 12V to it and flip the switch, see if I get 12V out the other side?
11-21-2010, 08:53 PM
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pin 87a has power when the relay isnt ignited, so with the relay off you should have power at 30 and 87a. Sounds like your not getting power from the switch make sure your fuse isnt blown. If you dont have a test light, take the switch power wire ( supposed to be 86) and touch it to 87 when the switch is on. Just do this for a second you should see your lights come on. If they dont then you dont have switched power, also what fuse did you use? Some fuses are switched ignition meaning the key has to be in the run position to turn that circuit that your fuse is on.
11-21-2010, 09:12 PM
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Ok, I'll try that with the switch(86) wire to the 87 pin.... How can I put that connector to the 87 Pin if the lights are connected to 87? I guess I can try to pull it down a enough to try to push the switch(86) wire against the 87 pin.. I'll try, lol.
Also, far as the fuse, I used a inline 30A fuse about 6" from the battery. That wire runs from the battery, through the fuse, then to the 30 Pin.
I wouldn't think the switch was bad... It's a basic toggle ON/OFF switch. I tried it with the key on, as well, regarding that question. I have the OFF wire on the switch running to the fuse block where the EFI fuse is.... But I'm using the "ignition" fuse hole to jack into it with one of those fuse highjacker thingy's for power, lol. I posted a pic of it a page back... Post #888, bout half way down(It's called an "Add A Circuit"
Also, far as the fuse, I used a inline 30A fuse about 6" from the battery. That wire runs from the battery, through the fuse, then to the 30 Pin.
I wouldn't think the switch was bad... It's a basic toggle ON/OFF switch. I tried it with the key on, as well, regarding that question. I have the OFF wire on the switch running to the fuse block where the EFI fuse is.... But I'm using the "ignition" fuse hole to jack into it with one of those fuse highjacker thingy's for power, lol. I posted a pic of it a page back... Post #888, bout half way down(It's called an "Add A Circuit"
11-21-2010, 09:25 PM
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Ok, I'll try that with the switch(86) wire to the 87 pin.... How can I put that connector to the 87 Pin if the lights are connected to 87? I guess I can try to pull it down a enough to try to push the switch(86) wire against the 87 pin.. I'll try, lol.
Also, far as the fuse, I used a inline 30A fuse about 6" from the battery. That wire runs from the battery, through the fuse, then to the 30 Pin.
I wouldn't think the switch was bad... It's a basic toggle ON/OFF switch. I tried it with the key on, as well, regarding that question. I have the OFF wire on the switch running to the fuse block where the EFI fuse is.... But I'm using the "ignition" fuse hole to jack into it with one of those fuse highjacker thingy's for power, lol. I posted a pic of it a page back... Post #888, bout half way down(It's called an "Add A Circuit"
Also, far as the fuse, I used a inline 30A fuse about 6" from the battery. That wire runs from the battery, through the fuse, then to the 30 Pin.
I wouldn't think the switch was bad... It's a basic toggle ON/OFF switch. I tried it with the key on, as well, regarding that question. I have the OFF wire on the switch running to the fuse block where the EFI fuse is.... But I'm using the "ignition" fuse hole to jack into it with one of those fuse highjacker thingy's for power, lol. I posted a pic of it a page back... Post #888, bout half way down(It's called an "Add A Circuit"
1. Key On
2. Switch On
3. No lights = no switched power from the fuse block, check wiring and all fuses again, ensure you have power to the switch its self.
11-21-2010, 09:28 PM
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That's where I jacked in, then straight from there to the OFF pin on the Switch. The other Pin is going to the 86 like you said..... I switched them, couple hours ago when I was trying that stuff out, lol. Here is some more pics of what I did..... don't laugh at me! lol, jk... "I did my bessssst", as Dane Cook says, lol.
Blocked off the 87A pin with this.......
And snugged it all up over there. You can see the relay on the right side and ground to the left of the starter relay and Injector resistor......
11-21-2010, 09:37 PM
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I went out and turned the ignition to the full on position.... Then I turned the switch to on, and I can't seem to find any voltage coming out of the switch. I'm going to test the wiring from the ignition fuse jack-in at the tip, where it plugs into the switch, to see if it's getting 12V with the key all the way on, dash lights lit up. It doesn't have to be actually running for power to be to that "Ignition 7.5A Fuse" where I jacked in, does it? I think I tested that, too. I'll check a few more things...but the wiring is solid, Gonovr, as well are the connectors, etc.
I'll try jacking in with the add-a-line to another fuse like the dome light.... that should be constant. Is it possible that the switch is just bad? First I'll let you know, right away, if I'm getting power from the fuse jack-in to the end of the connector.
THANKS, SO MUCH, GONOVR! I"m really in need of my truck this coming week, and I can't really take the lights off, now! lol. They're wired in, ya know? lol.
I'll try jacking in with the add-a-line to another fuse like the dome light.... that should be constant. Is it possible that the switch is just bad? First I'll let you know, right away, if I'm getting power from the fuse jack-in to the end of the connector.
THANKS, SO MUCH, GONOVR! I"m really in need of my truck this coming week, and I can't really take the lights off, now! lol. They're wired in, ya know? lol.
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11-21-2010, 09:55 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, 'CHOKES ON OWN TONGUE, LAUGHING AT SELF SO HARD',....HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA!
THANK YOU, GONOVR, so much, man! I'm sure you know how difficult it is on Sunday to get any help... which I fully understand. FHEWWWWWWW, you saved my rump another several hours of scratching my goatie! hahahaha.
YES, the second fuse did the trick...and when I looked at that, I LAUGHED MY ARSE OFF, for 5 minutes! lol.... 'DERRRRRRRR, how can current get through if the dual pin fuse isn't there to complete the circuit, DORK!?!?!?!?!' LOL.
Seriously man, ..THANKS, for hanging in for a lil while and checking in... that's what makes this site great, and I just hope that my build and troubleshooting threads can help someone just like me, "A guy who is learning this all from scratch over the last 6 months! lol.
Hopefully my light covers will come in by TOMORROW! Otherwise, I'll have to put on some t-shirts or rotary 8" buffers to be CA legal......TRUST ME, in one block I'd get pulled over! lol... Just the way it is for me, at times. ESPECIALLY if I know something is illegal, lol. Being 8" lights, I BET they're a lil easier to see for the "BOYS", ya know? lol
Take care, Gonovr, ...I'ma get some pics. Maybe a Video. Be back later. OH, btw, I have to backspace every time I type your name... I keep tying "Govonr"...
PS> Is it snowing in Co. Springs right now?
THANK YOU, GONOVR, so much, man! I'm sure you know how difficult it is on Sunday to get any help... which I fully understand. FHEWWWWWWW, you saved my rump another several hours of scratching my goatie! hahahaha.
YES, the second fuse did the trick...and when I looked at that, I LAUGHED MY ARSE OFF, for 5 minutes! lol.... 'DERRRRRRRR, how can current get through if the dual pin fuse isn't there to complete the circuit, DORK!?!?!?!?!' LOL.
Seriously man, ..THANKS, for hanging in for a lil while and checking in... that's what makes this site great, and I just hope that my build and troubleshooting threads can help someone just like me, "A guy who is learning this all from scratch over the last 6 months! lol.
Hopefully my light covers will come in by TOMORROW! Otherwise, I'll have to put on some t-shirts or rotary 8" buffers to be CA legal......TRUST ME, in one block I'd get pulled over! lol... Just the way it is for me, at times. ESPECIALLY if I know something is illegal, lol. Being 8" lights, I BET they're a lil easier to see for the "BOYS", ya know? lol
Take care, Gonovr, ...I'ma get some pics. Maybe a Video. Be back later. OH, btw, I have to backspace every time I type your name... I keep tying "Govonr"...
PS> Is it snowing in Co. Springs right now?
11-21-2010, 10:01 PM
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Good man im glad it worked out for ya, one less problem to keep ya up at night. Now im going to go get some sleep myself. By the way it has been snowing off and on here. Not to much today though.
11-21-2010, 10:21 PM
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SWEET! Just did a video and it's uploading, ..... I know, ...you're already sleeping. hahaha.
I actually finished everything up around 5:30 or something?..but NO WORKY! LOL. So I came in, made dinner, came back out around 8.....couldn't fix! lol. What a RELIEF for it to be something so simple and to have this done, Gonovr..... I have only so much time... I can't really stay at it all day, ya know? HATE working like that, (bits and pieces, here and there),...but that's the way it is, and I'm GRATEFUL that I have any time at all to do it... and that I have a job, and that it's only down to 53* here... rather than -23* or something. I actually heat the garage during the winter if I'm out there, lol. Why not, right? VERY grateful, thanks again.
Brandon, Rob, Ian... Thank you too, guys! Anyone else who helped, too... I really learned a lot from this, and now, I can run another relay off this, for smaller lights, or something else, to another block, attached into the slide key on this one.....cuz it's got that 87A pin. Sweet! lol. Was thinking of powering my amp off it, once I get that all going down the road a bit. Probably May or so of next year.
I actually finished everything up around 5:30 or something?..but NO WORKY! LOL. So I came in, made dinner, came back out around 8.....couldn't fix! lol. What a RELIEF for it to be something so simple and to have this done, Gonovr..... I have only so much time... I can't really stay at it all day, ya know? HATE working like that, (bits and pieces, here and there),...but that's the way it is, and I'm GRATEFUL that I have any time at all to do it... and that I have a job, and that it's only down to 53* here... rather than -23* or something. I actually heat the garage during the winter if I'm out there, lol. Why not, right? VERY grateful, thanks again.
Brandon, Rob, Ian... Thank you too, guys! Anyone else who helped, too... I really learned a lot from this, and now, I can run another relay off this, for smaller lights, or something else, to another block, attached into the slide key on this one.....cuz it's got that 87A pin. Sweet! lol. Was thinking of powering my amp off it, once I get that all going down the road a bit. Probably May or so of next year.
11-21-2010, 11:10 PM
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Some videos of the lights working...
THANKS AGAIN, GUYS! I'll get some better video when I head out to my Pop's in early December. He's in Lake Havasu, AZ, and my Brother and I are going to wheel down to the Colorado River at night to fish for CAT, ASAP! hahaha.
THANKS AGAIN, GUYS! I'll get some better video when I head out to my Pop's in early December. He's in Lake Havasu, AZ, and my Brother and I are going to wheel down to the Colorado River at night to fish for CAT, ASAP! hahaha.
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11-22-2010, 04:25 AM
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Good work Mark! Happy for you brother! Man in that video, those lights make a HUGE difference in light! Looks like you did a real clean and proper install to the T man. Sorry I was out all weekend, made a short wheeling trip with my local group, had a blast. I'll cross my fingers that your covers do in fact show up today.
11-22-2010, 04:35 AM
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You guys sure spend a lot of money on these old vehicles. I have one interesting question for you, I am not trying to be smart or put you down, but do any of you think you get your money's worth out of the end product. I know I almost died when I found out how much mine cost me up to now. I couldn't afford to sell mine now. I admit that your vehicles are very nice to look at, and I like to see good work being done, sadly it gives me too many ideas at times.
Clive.
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Well, with that attitude, why do anything? We dont buy these trucks and do to them what we do for resale... The car game is what it is... You wanna make money, you do cheap crap to flip it real quick... We mod our vehicles not because it'll look good on eBay or the craigslist add later on down the road but because the memories and experience we garner from it... For me it's about the memories shared, the cold beers drank, and the good times and laughter between friends that matter... Not money...
Hey Space, .....well said!
Sorry for the long answer. I know, many on this site can afford new cars and to mod them, then get another one like mine, and mod it! lol.... I can't, in good conscience, with all that is and might happen in the economy, go into ANY kind of debt, over a vehicle.... especially when, in reality, it cost me $1800.00 for the truck, I've put NOTHING into it up till June of this year, ...and now, I've put maybe 3 Grand into it, to nearly completely restore it....THAT'S LESS THAN A YEARS PAYMENTS, Homie! hahaa. Furthermore, I 'KNOW WHAT I HAVE', now, and for many years to come....If I just follow the 'recommended maintenance procedures'. Heck, even if I didn't, and only changed the oil, like last time....IT RAN 160k WITH THE SAME PLUGS, same O2, same EFI system, same sensors, same CAT, AND STILL passed smog every year for 8 years. I'm restoring a truck for less than 3G's, and I would bet dollars to donuts that it will out last MANY new cars and trucks that are coming off the line, this very weekend! lol.
THAT, to me, is 'why I spend money on these things'... And I understand, Dunna....it's a legitimate question you've asked. I can only give you a personal answer...and there it is.
Sorry for the long answer. I know, many on this site can afford new cars and to mod them, then get another one like mine, and mod it! lol.... I can't, in good conscience, with all that is and might happen in the economy, go into ANY kind of debt, over a vehicle.... especially when, in reality, it cost me $1800.00 for the truck, I've put NOTHING into it up till June of this year, ...and now, I've put maybe 3 Grand into it, to nearly completely restore it....THAT'S LESS THAN A YEARS PAYMENTS, Homie! hahaa. Furthermore, I 'KNOW WHAT I HAVE', now, and for many years to come....If I just follow the 'recommended maintenance procedures'. Heck, even if I didn't, and only changed the oil, like last time....IT RAN 160k WITH THE SAME PLUGS, same O2, same EFI system, same sensors, same CAT, AND STILL passed smog every year for 8 years. I'm restoring a truck for less than 3G's, and I would bet dollars to donuts that it will out last MANY new cars and trucks that are coming off the line, this very weekend! lol.
THAT, to me, is 'why I spend money on these things'... And I understand, Dunna....it's a legitimate question you've asked. I can only give you a personal answer...and there it is.
Like I said I didn't mean to offend anyone, it is not my attitude towards people doing these things. take a look at my thread and you will see I am just as guilty of vehicle mods as you are, I was asked the same question in another forum and I got a bit hot under the collar as well at first, and just thought about it for a bit, saw I spent a whole lot of money on a vehicle I could never in a lifetime get back, and I am still spending money on it, and like you I have no regrets. It was just a thought. I bought my 1985 4 Runner for $4500.00 here in Australia 8 years ago, and I was startled to find that I have spent over $32,000.00 on it in mods and repairs, and I know what it is to have mates over to lend a hand. The comment was meant in a light hearted way, nothing serious. I have used the ideas from other members of other forums in my vehicle. Sorry if I have offend anyone.
Clive.
Clive.
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11-22-2010, 05:00 AM
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thanks govonr... i would've helped out, but that whole time-zone change thing made it late here
mark- wooooohoooooo... awesome. thanks for the videos. makes me wanna throw a light bar on and wire up the truck
so i guess the question now is:
what's next?
mark- wooooohoooooo... awesome. thanks for the videos. makes me wanna throw a light bar on and wire up the truck
so i guess the question now is:
what's next?
