ChefYota4x4's 1987 4Runner Build-Up Thread
#4361
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CV joints
Looking really good Chef.Remember what I said about wanting to trade for a topless runner.I cannot even begin to say that I know anything about cv joints.I do however have experience with autoparts stores.In my experience if you buy anything with a lifetime warranty, from schucks or whatever they call themselves, you will get to use it.Now if you dont mind doing the work, its a decent deal.Stock parts speak for themselves as far as durability (its a yota duhhhh).Now to make that foot feel better.My best friend since childhood, just finished a bob, dovetail 85 shortbox.Other than the body mods it got a 22re,besides that stock with nice bumpers.2000$ paint job.He rolled it the other day, 7 times.He was being chased by the pierce county sheriffs at over 100mph lol.Hes ok execept for the place hes in now (jail) and his perfect in almost every way truck being destroyed.Pray for Derik.Hows that foot feeling now Chef.......Feels pretty good now huh?ha ha ha
#4363
I don't want to remember you like this..........
JK, I don't REALLY speak in the third person or in full on emotional conversations with inanimate objects, precious to me or not, hahahaa... But yes, IT HURT! But hey, got my "Ruby" to replace Blanca for 1700$! Not bad, ....and Hey, I LIVED, so I figured, "WHY NOT, track record proven, baby!" haha....
#4364
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#4365
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#4368
Jerry, .... AMEN! I am VERY grateful that I lived.... It' truly changed my perspective on LOTS, including how I treat others/how quickly I react to drama and crises.... MUCH MORE! Every breath is precious, NO DOUBT! And, I also find it VERY important to remmber to never measure God's grace by my circumstances! Thanks very much for stopping by, Jerry!
Richard,...that pic made me CRACK UP! hahaha.... Hab is gonna have to come back and match/beat that one now.... Unless I scared her off? haha. And yes,DAYUMMMMMM! indeed! And, it was Fathers Day, 2002, so they were 12 and 10!!! Can you imagine? I don't think I would have ever recovered from that grief! Anything can be turned into something good.... even terrible loss... But WOW, man... I REALLY think more of how incredibly blessed I am for the circumstances, THAT VERY NIGHT, to have turned out that way! My ex needed them home for some government aid appt. the next day... And I WAS TICKED! But hey, guess I should always remember that there is ALWAYS something bigger than me behind the scenes, right? Doesn't work out that way in many cases for many people.... Believe me, I'M GRATEFUL ON ALL COUNTS, and even my pain at times IMMEDIATELY or shortly after occurring that 'FORGET PAIN, BOTH MYSELF AND MY KIDS COULD BE GONE!'
Richard,...that pic made me CRACK UP! hahaha.... Hab is gonna have to come back and match/beat that one now.... Unless I scared her off? haha. And yes,DAYUMMMMMM! indeed! And, it was Fathers Day, 2002, so they were 12 and 10!!! Can you imagine? I don't think I would have ever recovered from that grief! Anything can be turned into something good.... even terrible loss... But WOW, man... I REALLY think more of how incredibly blessed I am for the circumstances, THAT VERY NIGHT, to have turned out that way! My ex needed them home for some government aid appt. the next day... And I WAS TICKED! But hey, guess I should always remember that there is ALWAYS something bigger than me behind the scenes, right? Doesn't work out that way in many cases for many people.... Believe me, I'M GRATEFUL ON ALL COUNTS, and even my pain at times IMMEDIATELY or shortly after occurring that 'FORGET PAIN, BOTH MYSELF AND MY KIDS COULD BE GONE!'
#4369
Yep, all in all... 32 Broken bones later, fractured skull included, coma, TONS of blood loss, 1.5 collapsed lungs, quickly filling with blood(being upside down was DEFINITELY a part of what saved me, said they!).... I'M QUITE THE PHENOMENON, I'm pretty sure! hahaha.
#4371
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Well yea. That was a pretty quick edit i did on the flying 4runner. If i still had my photoshop program on the computer i would have literally edited and blended in the rear end to a space rocket to the rear of your truck with jet wings and some helicopter wing thing-a-mah-jigs on the top of your truck. but i dont so thats the best i could do
#4372
Contributing Member
Redeth =
Awesome. I was laughing so hard everybody else showed up to see why, then we were all laughing and my kid ran off to build it in legos.
Chef, sad to see a good truck go but better to be able to miss and reminisce than not. Glad we get to enjoy your presence.
Awesome. I was laughing so hard everybody else showed up to see why, then we were all laughing and my kid ran off to build it in legos.
Chef, sad to see a good truck go but better to be able to miss and reminisce than not. Glad we get to enjoy your presence.
#4373
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gonna hold ya to it.....post up a pic
#4374
if you where closer. i would help you do those axle boots. they are not hard but when i 1st started doing them. i was kinda scared as well but now i do them with no problems, i have lots of practice at work lol
#4376
Well yea. That was a pretty quick edit i did on the flying 4runner. If i still had my photoshop program on the computer i would have literally edited and blended in the rear end to a space rocket to the rear of your truck with jet wings and some helicopter wing thing-a-mah-jigs on the top of your truck. but i dont so thats the best i could do
That would be great! I LOVE how small of a world it is, ya know? Makes being on the internet SO MUCH MORE worth it to me, the 'personal' stuff, ya know? NOT THAT PERSONAL, you know what I mean! hehe.
I know, seriously! haha... That would be my way to win a million dollar bet against BigMike and all of them on a "MY IFS TRUCK COULD BEAT YOU TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN BY 2 HOURS!" BET! Just wait til the race get's started, then slap on the Hunter-Fairhaven FAN-MOD and SMOKE EM! hahaha. It's a bit heavy... so I think a 300" span might have to be in order, eh? Maybe a V12 engine to power them... BUT STILL, IT COULD BE DONE, RIGHT?
#4377
PERFECT TIMING ON THE NEW PAGE! hahaha...
OK, so, I'ma carry over Toyo's post..........
I WOULD LOVE to have your help, or heck, just ship em to ya! haahaha... NO, honestly, I'm not really that intimidated, not any more than I have been with most anything I'm doing for the first time.. Just a lil iffy about 'the clamps for the boots'.... I've read over and over how it's a "SPECIAL TOOL", lol. And also read, "Yes, it's doable, but the PITA factor is just one thing.. The other? NOT KNOWING FOR SURE, til it's too late, whether you got the 'clips' just right on the boot ends.... MESSY!" I can see why lots choose to just slap in replacement CV's, whole... In fact, I was talking to RW about maybe grabbing a lifetime warranty set just for now, then taking my time cleaning up/rebooting mine, maybe even adding Porsche Inner CV's and all new boots, etc., etc..........
I'm going to jack it up tomorrow and test, as best as i can, for any binding/clicking of the CV's... if I hear anything that obvious with even driveway tests... well, then I might have my mind at least partially made up for me, eh? haha...
Tomorrow, I'm also going to be having some time to prep and paint the side rails for the roof rack. The paint on them isn't so bad, and they aren't TOO much for show... but I can't stomach just putting them up like they are. Not with the con-ferr cage all painted pretty well. I just CAN'T! hahaha. But Primer and paint shouldn't take but tomorrow, along with some testing of the front end stuffs, looking for slop/binding, etc. I think what happened with my CV was just a unique circumstance in full steering stuff in that rock garden, combined with the boots being 25 years old and never touched, ya know? BUT WE'LL SEE! I've wheeled this thing harder than that, many times, along with 5 other IFS rigs... NEVER tore a boot... So ..........happenstance? I just know it rides like a Cadillac Out there! I also know this has to be done, one way or the other, before I can stomach wheeling it again. I just DON'T NEED a fix bad enough to risk even further damage....BUT I WANNA BE OUT THERE AS OFTEN AND SOON AS I CAN!!!!.... So I wanna get it fixed, trust me!
IF I find no binding/drama, and the CV's seem to be ok......IOW- "IT'S JUST THE ONE BOOT"... Then I'll likely just order two new outer OEM boots, ... then take the time to clean em up and slap the new ones on.
IF I DO find drama up there..... I have to make a decision where to purchase full CV's..... Again, I keep hearing that O'reilly chain is the only one with the dust shields on there... That Autozone doesn't put them on. BUT, that was over a year ago... maybe that's changed? To be honest, I've never read on a single 'repair' on here where there wasn't dissension about "use this one", "NO THAT ONE"... But this one takes the cake. ALMOST EVERY POST was in disagreement over which one, "O'reilly", "Napa", "AutoZone" is the best... BUT, I think AutoZone was the only one where the "reman's" are Lifetime Guarantee... So that factors in as well. I hear that most remans are more likely to be OEM CV's that are rebuilt... where as new are NO WAY going to be OEM originals. There is also the choice of having Toyota Restore them... that's around 150$ per side, IIRC. Maybe they just swap yours in as cores and give you others? I'll have to look into it, depending on what I find, tomorrow.....
OK, so, I'ma carry over Toyo's post..........
I'm going to jack it up tomorrow and test, as best as i can, for any binding/clicking of the CV's... if I hear anything that obvious with even driveway tests... well, then I might have my mind at least partially made up for me, eh? haha...
Tomorrow, I'm also going to be having some time to prep and paint the side rails for the roof rack. The paint on them isn't so bad, and they aren't TOO much for show... but I can't stomach just putting them up like they are. Not with the con-ferr cage all painted pretty well. I just CAN'T! hahaha. But Primer and paint shouldn't take but tomorrow, along with some testing of the front end stuffs, looking for slop/binding, etc. I think what happened with my CV was just a unique circumstance in full steering stuff in that rock garden, combined with the boots being 25 years old and never touched, ya know? BUT WE'LL SEE! I've wheeled this thing harder than that, many times, along with 5 other IFS rigs... NEVER tore a boot... So ..........happenstance? I just know it rides like a Cadillac Out there! I also know this has to be done, one way or the other, before I can stomach wheeling it again. I just DON'T NEED a fix bad enough to risk even further damage....BUT I WANNA BE OUT THERE AS OFTEN AND SOON AS I CAN!!!!.... So I wanna get it fixed, trust me!
IF I find no binding/drama, and the CV's seem to be ok......IOW- "IT'S JUST THE ONE BOOT"... Then I'll likely just order two new outer OEM boots, ... then take the time to clean em up and slap the new ones on.
IF I DO find drama up there..... I have to make a decision where to purchase full CV's..... Again, I keep hearing that O'reilly chain is the only one with the dust shields on there... That Autozone doesn't put them on. BUT, that was over a year ago... maybe that's changed? To be honest, I've never read on a single 'repair' on here where there wasn't dissension about "use this one", "NO THAT ONE"... But this one takes the cake. ALMOST EVERY POST was in disagreement over which one, "O'reilly", "Napa", "AutoZone" is the best... BUT, I think AutoZone was the only one where the "reman's" are Lifetime Guarantee... So that factors in as well. I hear that most remans are more likely to be OEM CV's that are rebuilt... where as new are NO WAY going to be OEM originals. There is also the choice of having Toyota Restore them... that's around 150$ per side, IIRC. Maybe they just swap yours in as cores and give you others? I'll have to look into it, depending on what I find, tomorrow.....
#4378
get a complete boot kit *inner and outer* iirc, in order to remove the outer boot the inner boot has to come off. sure you can reuse the boot but not the clamps. depending on clamps. sure you can get just the clamps but you have to find the "right" size. best to have a complete kit with clamps, boots, and grease. oh dont ask me which grease goes into which boot because i dont know lol. the toyota boot kits come with two different grease packages and i never could figure it out
since you have manual hubs, the front axles dont need to be spotless or even have all the grease removed. just the best you can. your not running 4wd all the time
you kinda need special tools. depending on which kit you get and which clamps you use will determine which tool needed to install the clamps. gonna need some snap ring pliers for sure. if your using a toyota boot kit, your gonna need atleast two types of clamping tools
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...32-143815018-2
http://www.sears.com/lisle-lis30500-...77S4581099301P
oh if you just by cv axles, check o reilly and try to buy the NEW ones, these dont have cores so you can keep the oem ones which i highly suggest doing
since you have manual hubs, the front axles dont need to be spotless or even have all the grease removed. just the best you can. your not running 4wd all the time
you kinda need special tools. depending on which kit you get and which clamps you use will determine which tool needed to install the clamps. gonna need some snap ring pliers for sure. if your using a toyota boot kit, your gonna need atleast two types of clamping tools
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...32-143815018-2
http://www.sears.com/lisle-lis30500-...77S4581099301P
oh if you just by cv axles, check o reilly and try to buy the NEW ones, these dont have cores so you can keep the oem ones which i highly suggest doing
Last edited by ToyoTech559; 07-26-2012 at 09:45 PM.
#4379
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Freakin computers, I'm telling you! Had thoroughly answered you, ... went to drag a link over here, and ONCE AGAIN, "Firefox Crash Report"... along with what seems to be a REALLY BAD "Flash Player Plug in" problem I've been having........ GRRRRRRRRR!
OK, so anyway, hahaha..........
I hear ya, totally! Yes, I've read those run downs on the procedure, and I especially like the one with all the pics, etc., from the dude who does the boots when they tear, rather than replacing the CV's... (Posted it on the last page... And due to the FLASH CRASHES I'm having, lol... I'll just letcha go look if ya want, haha)..... I read that, nearly first thing, where he says, "You must remove the inner boot to remove the outer".... I haven't read all the way through just yet, so I wont pretend that makes sense when the outer boot is right off the hub.. But anywhooooo, I'll find it. I'm thorough, Toyo, I'll be sure to do it cleanly/properly and with the right grease, etc., when I do eventually repair those.
HOWEVER, Yes, since I would like to have an extra set... I will grab some Guaranteed for Life CV's, either 'REMAN' or 'NEW', as you said. (ONLY reason I was debating new or reman'd is because somewhat of a Guru on a thread said, "The reman's are superior, because they're often using the OEM CV's you're returning... Where the NEW are made by Dorman, Duralast, etc., etc.... from their own castings of God knows what.. And then to top that, the CV Joint on the 'NEW' are different than OEM.. The OEM Bearings on the joints are triangular... where the OE NEW from Napa, at least, were Flat and round.... The 'NEW' joint bearings bind, click away and can tear boots more easily.... Not sure why they did them that way, but they did"... I'll find the post if I can and post it here)... Bcuz, while I'LL NEVER HAVE 100% PROVEN ANSWERS to everything,... I'd LIKE TO try and help others, looking into this, to know 'what they'll get, where and what's the best chance of having a 'auto parts store product' that will last a bit longer'..... Then I'll make a CONCISE list/post at the end, with all I've found.
For instance... like I'd said about Kragen(O'reilly's now, or Shucks).. A guy had done this search, like myself, and being more experienced than myself at this, he noticed that the AutoZone ones didn't require a core on the reman'd(is this true? I'll find out)... but they also didn't have the dust boot(I'll look at the diagrams in the links I posted for the 'FSM Instructions for changing boots' thread, the one with the comments disabled)... Apparently, according to this guy, it's a dust boot that can not just be 'added' without tearing the boots off again.. So he returned the CV's to AutoZone, went to Pick-your-part, grabbed 2 CV's for 30$ or something, and traded them as cores for the "Lifetime Guarantee- O'Reilly's Reman'd CV's", rather than using the AutoZone ones that he'd have to disassemble in order to put in the dust boots which are 18$ at the dealer(??).
This brings me to the "REMOVE THE STUDS AND REPLACE WITH BOLTS" portion. If I'm going to bring CV"s with me, on trips... I might as well do this right the first time, in every way I can, to make it easier as well, while out on the trail, RIGHT? I've read that the studs should be knocked out with a drift and BFH(most common method, apparently) or with a Vice and 17mm Deep Socket...... BUT THEN, I kept reading "You ONLY NEED TO KNOCK OUT 2 STUDS".... Why would this be? I mean, I'm sure it's not CAKE to knock the studs out... So if it's practical, sure... But does this even make sense??????? I would think the flange would still bind up on the remaining studs.. no?
I will be cleaning up the Aisin Hubs........... Try to post pictures, although there are so many threads on that, it's seemingly redundant... But why not, I suppose. I like pics, too, so I get it! haha.
LAST THING;
When I did my new ROTORS AND CALIPERS, I also replaced all the bearings and races with OEM KOYO Bearings....... I believe I did a good job, and this was less than 15K miles ago, IIRC... So I wouldn't need to mess with all that while doing this job, even for preventative maintenance, correct? I will DEFINITELY pull them and repack/inspect, etc., if the general consensus is that it'd be wise, lol... I have bearing grease packing kit, etc., etc. ... I just wanna see whatcha all think as to whether I should or not. And come to think of it.. I am pretty sure that my driver side rotor, the new one, at some point got 'warped'.... So if I have to pull it... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh(sigh) hahaha.
OK, so anyway, hahaha..........
I hear ya, totally! Yes, I've read those run downs on the procedure, and I especially like the one with all the pics, etc., from the dude who does the boots when they tear, rather than replacing the CV's... (Posted it on the last page... And due to the FLASH CRASHES I'm having, lol... I'll just letcha go look if ya want, haha)..... I read that, nearly first thing, where he says, "You must remove the inner boot to remove the outer".... I haven't read all the way through just yet, so I wont pretend that makes sense when the outer boot is right off the hub.. But anywhooooo, I'll find it. I'm thorough, Toyo, I'll be sure to do it cleanly/properly and with the right grease, etc., when I do eventually repair those.
HOWEVER, Yes, since I would like to have an extra set... I will grab some Guaranteed for Life CV's, either 'REMAN' or 'NEW', as you said. (ONLY reason I was debating new or reman'd is because somewhat of a Guru on a thread said, "The reman's are superior, because they're often using the OEM CV's you're returning... Where the NEW are made by Dorman, Duralast, etc., etc.... from their own castings of God knows what.. And then to top that, the CV Joint on the 'NEW' are different than OEM.. The OEM Bearings on the joints are triangular... where the OE NEW from Napa, at least, were Flat and round.... The 'NEW' joint bearings bind, click away and can tear boots more easily.... Not sure why they did them that way, but they did"... I'll find the post if I can and post it here)... Bcuz, while I'LL NEVER HAVE 100% PROVEN ANSWERS to everything,... I'd LIKE TO try and help others, looking into this, to know 'what they'll get, where and what's the best chance of having a 'auto parts store product' that will last a bit longer'..... Then I'll make a CONCISE list/post at the end, with all I've found.
For instance... like I'd said about Kragen(O'reilly's now, or Shucks).. A guy had done this search, like myself, and being more experienced than myself at this, he noticed that the AutoZone ones didn't require a core on the reman'd(is this true? I'll find out)... but they also didn't have the dust boot(I'll look at the diagrams in the links I posted for the 'FSM Instructions for changing boots' thread, the one with the comments disabled)... Apparently, according to this guy, it's a dust boot that can not just be 'added' without tearing the boots off again.. So he returned the CV's to AutoZone, went to Pick-your-part, grabbed 2 CV's for 30$ or something, and traded them as cores for the "Lifetime Guarantee- O'Reilly's Reman'd CV's", rather than using the AutoZone ones that he'd have to disassemble in order to put in the dust boots which are 18$ at the dealer(??).
This brings me to the "REMOVE THE STUDS AND REPLACE WITH BOLTS" portion. If I'm going to bring CV"s with me, on trips... I might as well do this right the first time, in every way I can, to make it easier as well, while out on the trail, RIGHT? I've read that the studs should be knocked out with a drift and BFH(most common method, apparently) or with a Vice and 17mm Deep Socket...... BUT THEN, I kept reading "You ONLY NEED TO KNOCK OUT 2 STUDS".... Why would this be? I mean, I'm sure it's not CAKE to knock the studs out... So if it's practical, sure... But does this even make sense??????? I would think the flange would still bind up on the remaining studs.. no?
I will be cleaning up the Aisin Hubs........... Try to post pictures, although there are so many threads on that, it's seemingly redundant... But why not, I suppose. I like pics, too, so I get it! haha.
LAST THING;
When I did my new ROTORS AND CALIPERS, I also replaced all the bearings and races with OEM KOYO Bearings....... I believe I did a good job, and this was less than 15K miles ago, IIRC... So I wouldn't need to mess with all that while doing this job, even for preventative maintenance, correct? I will DEFINITELY pull them and repack/inspect, etc., if the general consensus is that it'd be wise, lol... I have bearing grease packing kit, etc., etc. ... I just wanna see whatcha all think as to whether I should or not. And come to think of it.. I am pretty sure that my driver side rotor, the new one, at some point got 'warped'.... So if I have to pull it... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh(sigh) hahaha.
#4380
OK, apparently.. this all took place, the Napa Premium Rotors, Napa Altrom Calipers(need to double check for the receipt)... and Warn Premium hubs I got FOR A STEAL off my buddy at 4WP... Around May 2009..... I THINK! haha... The picture upload date is 5/30/09... But that doesn't mean I TOOK it then. I will look up my miles in May 2009 when I did that smog and see how many miles it's been since I did the bearings/packed em with grease, etc.............
Last edited by ChefYota4x4; 07-27-2012 at 01:45 AM.