Setting record straight on IFS
#141
Contributing Member
Yet again, my point is that a SAS isn't REQUIRED to wheel. You can wheel a VERY great many trails with IFS.
Last edited by AxleIke; 02-20-2008 at 04:43 AM.
#144
Hey tc,
Your not going to believe this, but I agree with You about the snow.
We're doing a "Redneck ground clearance study" right now.
Will have pic's shortly, where does everyone host their pic's?
Thanks Kiwi
Your not going to believe this, but I agree with You about the snow.
We're doing a "Redneck ground clearance study" right now.
Will have pic's shortly, where does everyone host their pic's?
Thanks Kiwi
#146
Contributing Member
All right... some SAS numbers to get things started.
For reference, my setup is a 4" Marlin SAS, '85 Toyota front axle on 35" MTR's. I have welded the ball gussets from Marlin under my knuckles, but measured my axle as if they weren't there. Also, the '85 has the full length under gusset, so clearance on this axle is going to be the lowest of all Toyota solid axles.
Also... my ground to center of hub measures 16.25".
I just took two measurements in the rear. I have a trac-bar that was added, so I didn't take that dimension. Just figuring "stock" numbers are what we are all looking for.
I'll let the mathematicians among us figure out my average GC. Seems like my max is about 14" as dictated by the front gusset and high point in the rear. Of course, this is assuming I line everything up and don't just smack one or both of my diffs into a 12" rock and stop cold.
Will be interesting to see how all this compares to IFS... even if ground clearance isn't a reason to swap. At least it wasn't for me.
For reference, my setup is a 4" Marlin SAS, '85 Toyota front axle on 35" MTR's. I have welded the ball gussets from Marlin under my knuckles, but measured my axle as if they weren't there. Also, the '85 has the full length under gusset, so clearance on this axle is going to be the lowest of all Toyota solid axles.
Also... my ground to center of hub measures 16.25".
I just took two measurements in the rear. I have a trac-bar that was added, so I didn't take that dimension. Just figuring "stock" numbers are what we are all looking for.
I'll let the mathematicians among us figure out my average GC. Seems like my max is about 14" as dictated by the front gusset and high point in the rear. Of course, this is assuming I line everything up and don't just smack one or both of my diffs into a 12" rock and stop cold.
Will be interesting to see how all this compares to IFS... even if ground clearance isn't a reason to swap. At least it wasn't for me.
Last edited by Elvota; 02-20-2008 at 03:04 PM.
#148
Contributing Member
Uhmmm... 16.25" x 2 = 32.5" Wait a minute, 32.5" tires... WTH? I shouldn't have measured them in the first place. Now I am bummed.
So, I measured my spare, and only got 33.5 out of that one. No weight though, so fully round of course. These MTR's aren't new, but I am guessing 65% tread left at least.
I guess I have to get a hold of some 37's pronto or get more secure having such small tires. .
So, I measured my spare, and only got 33.5 out of that one. No weight though, so fully round of course. These MTR's aren't new, but I am guessing 65% tread left at least.
I guess I have to get a hold of some 37's pronto or get more secure having such small tires. .
#149
Hey Guys,
I Wonder how many people just ran out and measured thier tires?
This is not good, I think we have been marketed. lol
Thanks Kiwi
edit: is this another thread?
I Wonder how many people just ran out and measured thier tires?
This is not good, I think we have been marketed. lol
Thanks Kiwi
edit: is this another thread?
Last edited by Kiwipushrod; 02-20-2008 at 03:40 PM.
#152
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: hendersonville, TN.
Posts: 1,417
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
not that any body is wrong, or right, but the fact is i have a 88 toyota pickup IFS welded rear open front and 34's and i will rock crawl all day long and not break one time, its how you drive it, not how you build it,(to a point) any body wheel jhonson valley? i was told no trucks with under 37's and lockers front & back will make it, i have no lift but flexy rear end and made the guys from 4wheel&offroad shut up by out wheelin there A1 jeep!!! no joke, ask them.
#153
Contributing Member
#154
Contributing Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: NM
Posts: 1,843
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
IFS and SAS
IFS definitely has its pros; nice ride, better in the mud due to less weight and better clearance, pretty good in the rocks.......
but when it come to brute strength, the SAS will win hands down.
One of the things that really bothered me when I was off-roading was after the wheeling, the alignment was out. Maybe I was just harder than most, but I really grew weary of this issue.
Then there was the whole thing of breaking half shafts, stub shafts, ORS heat treated half shafts, splitting boots, pulling the tripod joint from the inner joint.........Yeah, I guess I just was too hard on them.
I went to a SAS because I wanted stronger parts that could withstand the abuse the front suspension was receiving. Midas has set my alignment, I've wheeled it, and well....the alignment is still in....I'm happy. The only thing I've broken are a few Warn Hub Fuses, which are designed to break under certain loads.
just my .02 cents
but when it come to brute strength, the SAS will win hands down.
One of the things that really bothered me when I was off-roading was after the wheeling, the alignment was out. Maybe I was just harder than most, but I really grew weary of this issue.
Then there was the whole thing of breaking half shafts, stub shafts, ORS heat treated half shafts, splitting boots, pulling the tripod joint from the inner joint.........Yeah, I guess I just was too hard on them.
I went to a SAS because I wanted stronger parts that could withstand the abuse the front suspension was receiving. Midas has set my alignment, I've wheeled it, and well....the alignment is still in....I'm happy. The only thing I've broken are a few Warn Hub Fuses, which are designed to break under certain loads.
just my .02 cents
#155
Registered User
you live in NM... anything in NM will break. period. that is hard core wheeling
I wheel in the snow up north where my axles stay nice, rusty, and spinning freely
hahaha
I wheel in the snow up north where my axles stay nice, rusty, and spinning freely
hahaha
#156
Registered User
I hear all this talk about how IFS is crap but thats just all u rockrawler guys talking. IFS is better in the mud than solid axles especially in ruts. DONT bash someone because they have IFS maybe they dont have the money available for an SAS.
All im saying is not everyone plays in the rock some of us play in the mud too.
All im saying is not everyone plays in the rock some of us play in the mud too.
and ifs blows unless u are doing moderate wheeling. sas is for all extreme conditions. except like baja or somthin like that where you need ifs
#157
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jcrawl94
84-85 Trucks & 4Runners (Build-Up Section)
10
10-24-2015 04:34 PM
delmert
84-85 Trucks & 4Runners
11
09-30-2015 04:34 PM
FS[GreatLakes]: Toyota collection part out
88sasturbotoy
Axles - Suspensions - Tires - Wheels
2
08-11-2015 01:56 AM