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I am replacing all tie rod ends & ball joints on my '92 4x4. I know MOOG was the go-to brand back in the day, but seems the quality has fallen off from what I read? I don't put a lot of miles on my truck (about 1-2K/year) and it stays on the street 99.9% of the time, running 31" tires. I am 54, will the MOOG parts outlive me or do I pay double for OEM to never have to do this job again?
when I was restoring my truck I decided to try a moog pitman arm. I got less than 5k miles out of it. junk. go to the dealer, or use toyotapartsdeal like a lot of us. I used 555 ball joints but not from Toyota. theyre the preferred BJ for our trucks. im not really a parts snob, I will and do use some aftermarket parts. my axles are napa remans. no issues. but the steering components and suspension needs to be factory or better quality, and its real damn hard to beat factory quality on a yota.
I'm with keycw.
I've heard many bad things about Moog, too, including from alexman video (arlindsay).
Those components do not have to be replaced often, so considering the labor/time I'm putting in, I'd rather use OEM.
It is good to know that BJ's on second gen 4Runners and earlier do not get as bad stresses as on 3rd gen. On my 1986, I only had to replace the upper BJ's, although I only found one with vertical play/wear. I have approx 255,000 miles now.
On our gen, the upper BJ supports more of the vehicle weight compared to the LBJ.
As I understand it Moog has 2 product lines. One is Chinese the other is good
You want the Moog K series. It's supposed to be the better line
In my case I went with OEM Toyota parts. There more expensive but so what. The money is in the labor
With OEM I don't have to replace them for a long time...
Last edited by Innocent Fool; 12-20-2019 at 05:13 AM.
This is inevitable when manufacturers sell out to the cheapest supplier. Communist countries play by their rules and quality is sacrificed for the sake of profit.
Excellent information! I will assume that the same goes for just about any parts/components/merchandise you can buy nowadays, especially from the big multinationals.
I've had bad luck with Moog lately, right down to the parts not fitting at all. And that's after double and triple checking it was the right part number.
I've been going more with OEM if needed, or researching what others are having success with.
Don't get me started on Moog steering components... they are very cheap and break down within a few thousand miles. I replaced all of my steering components with Moog parts and very soon they all went bad. Not holding grease, the rubber boots ripping, the ball joints have a LOT of play in them. I have so much play in my steering now.
I need to get some legit steering components now and replace all of it.
I don't know who is making moog parts, but my experience tells me the materials used are of bad quality.
I didn't mean that I couldn't find the information; when I purchased them few years ago I just read on the forums about user experience (and people generally seemed to think they were good). I was responding to the thread's question, I admit it was a superfluous statement to make.
I didn't mean that I couldn't find the information; when I purchased them few years ago I just read on the forums about user experience (and people generally seemed to think they were good). I was responding to the thread's question, I admit it was a superfluous statement to make.
Southfield, Michigan, February 19, 2015. Beginning in 2015, all NASCAR® Sprint Cup Series competitors will be required to use MOOG®Steering and Suspension parts in their cars, specifically MOOG ball joints and tie rod ends. This addition to the NASCAR rulebook
Like most manufacturers they tend to have decent warranty. And being non-electrical parts most places aren't going to give much grief about returns and exchanges as long they remain unused.
We've said it before, always inspect new parts. For various reasons things like quality control slip-ups happen, and parts end up in the wrong package. Even batch to batch out of the same factory there can be deviation in production runs.
Dealership parts are no exception to this either in our modern global economy. You could get parts from different countries ranging from Japan, Malaysia, or Thailand. Being just three off the top of my head.
Like most manufacturers they tend to have decent warranty. And being non-electrical parts most places aren't going to give much grief about returns and exchanges as long they remain unused.
We've said it before, always inspect new parts. For various reasons things like quality control slip-ups happen, and parts end up in the wrong package. Even batch to batch out of the same factory there can be deviation in production runs.
Dealership parts are no exception to this either in our modern global economy. You could get parts from different countries ranging from Japan, Malaysia, or Thailand. Being just three off the top of my head.
I had no reason to believe any of the parts I installed would have such a short life span. None looked damaged or defective.
It's simple, the quality of the materials used is inferior to the quality required for these parts to last a reasonable number of years/miles. Defective and damaged products are a different story.
I had no reason to believe any of the parts I installed would have such a short life span. None looked damaged or defective.
It's simple, the quality of the materials used is inferior to the quality required for these parts to last a reasonable number of years/miles. Defective and damaged products are a different story.
The quality of the rubber, of course on the parts that have them, is usually a good sign of the quality of the metal bits. They show up as way to hard like plastic, or way to thin like a condom.
Big downfall of internet shopping is you can't do these sorts of things.
We all get a warm fuzzy feeling opening those boxes and plastic bags with a Toyota logo on them though don't we.
I guess the bottom line is if you can't touch it before you hand over the cash the safe bet is sourcing parts from a Toyota dealer.
have you put 100-200k miles, or 1500 hours on these yet? Yeah probably not, and even if you have there's no guarantee that the parts you received and the parts I get came out of the same factory in the same batch and have the same quality.
IE, you probably didn't follow gist of the thread or the details given in the link above, but we appreciate your input regardless.
.. Yep salty bastard
PS, Beck arnley is or was owned by Fed mogul and comes out of the same factories as the Moog branded stuff.
I did OEM ball joints on my T100 after seeing videos on YT of moog failure while driving.
i have moog tie rods and I am disapointed by them. The boots have no way of sealing the grease in.
12-09-2019, 06:31 PM
