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yeah the shocks apply resistance to the movement of the axle
more shocks = more resistance = rougher ride because the truck bounces with the axle
you want a smoother ride, take the shocks off completely
it sounds like you've been hanging around some mall-crawler friends and taking advise from them
more shocks = more resistance = rougher ride because the truck bounces with the axle
you want a smoother ride, take the shocks off completely
it sounds like you've been hanging around some mall-crawler friends and taking advise from them
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Man I don't even know where to begin, you couldn't be more wrong. First of all the point of dual shocks has nothing to do with street ride, nor does any off-road mod. If you want a good in between suspension just keep it stock. The point of dual shocks is to get rid of the coil-over, that reduces bounce not the other way around. When you hit a bump it absorbs the shock, thats why they call em shock absorbers, the coil springs bounce the truck back and throw you into the roof. Speaking of ghey, I wouldn't want to put shocks called names like that on my truck!
Anyway, to answer the original question of the post: You need to weld in different brackets, thats why most guys don't do it, they prefer easy stuff like spacers and adjustable coil-overs
Anyway, to answer the original question of the post: You need to weld in different brackets, thats why most guys don't do it, they prefer easy stuff like spacers and adjustable coil-overs
wow... you would have to run allot more then 2 shocks to replace the coil spring.. or torsion bar in this case.. and then they would have to gas charged shocks with a high pressure..
unless he got non pressurized shocks and had them valved really light on compression running dual shocks will not make his suspension any better. but if he wants dual shocks, he wants dual shocks..
ryan
and when did it become gay to make your truck look cool.... I guess we should all stop doing body work and paint jobs.. plus those ARB's and TJM bumpers should all be thrown away in favor of a more practical tube bumper for less weight and more protection...
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That's true but coils add resistance too, dual shocks = no-coil-over, more shock absorption. Coils = more return bounce. Why do you have to insult people? "Mall-crawlers friends" I'm guessing that you run spacers or adjustable coil-overs, thats mall-crawler stuff! Those are just stock replacement add-ons, duals actually require real modification. By the way 2nd gen 4Runners like mine are pretty heavy, especially with all the heavy-duty bars.
read up some more
and know more about the person you're trying to insult before you attemp to insult them
you've been here long enough for 3 posts; you're off to a FANTASTIC start...
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wow... you would have to run allot more then 2 shocks to replace the coil spring.. or torsion bar in this case.. and then they would have to gas charged shocks with a high pressure..
unless he got non pressurized shocks and had them valved really light on compression running dual shocks will not make his suspension any better. but if he wants dual shocks, he wants dual shocks..
ryan
and when did it become gay to make your truck look cool.... I guess we should all stop doing body work and paint jobs.. plus those ARB's and TJM bumpers should all be thrown away in favor of a more practical tube bumper for less weight and more protection...
unless he got non pressurized shocks and had them valved really light on compression running dual shocks will not make his suspension any better. but if he wants dual shocks, he wants dual shocks..
ryan
and when did it become gay to make your truck look cool.... I guess we should all stop doing body work and paint jobs.. plus those ARB's and TJM bumpers should all be thrown away in favor of a more practical tube bumper for less weight and more protection...
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yotaman already pointed out your "wrong"
I guess I'm going to have to break this down...
sure coils add restance, and so does the tortion bars that are on your claimed 2nd gen 4Runner, but with two main differences from the resistance that shocks provide:
1) they don't provide a funtion to slow down and damper the movement. that's why when you see an old truck or car with worn out shocks go over a bump of dip in the road, they "float" up and down for the next 100 yards; they're pretty much riding on all spring because there's no dampening there from the shocks
2) coil springs, tortion bars, and leaf springs, are all progressive with their resistance, and it's this progressive resistance that allows them to support the weight of the vehicle. standard shocks absorbers are NOT designed to take the weight of a vechicle; that's the spring's job
so in the end:
spring = supports the weight of the vehicle, but also allows the movement of the suspension
shock = is NOT load bearing; simply absorbs and cancels out movement of the suspension
more shocks = more canceling out of the suspension movement
more canceling out of suspension movement = stiffer rider
now of course none of this applies to nitro-charged shocks of anything, but that's a different situation all together...
BUT, it purly depends on the vehicle too, which is why I mentioned before that the full-size truck guys normally choose to run them. the heavier the vehicle, the less you'll notice the added dampening. but on a light mini-truck, there's not a whole lot of weight to be thrown around, so adding a ton of shocks is going to make the ride harsh
and by the way, a coil-over is just a combination of coil spring and shock; a standard shock absorber runs down the inside of a standard coil spring; it's just more convenient to put them in a smaller package like that. you cannot simply replace a coil over assembly with a bunch of standard shock absorbers then you'll have nothing to support the weight of the vehicle
and you attempted to insult me with, and I quote, "I'm guessing that you run spacers or adjustable coil-overs, thats mall-crawler stuff! Those are just stock replacement add-ons, duals actually require real modification."
first off, no I run neither
second, adjustable coil overs are in NO WAY mall crawler stuff, IF USED WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR... mall crawler is all about bling that you're never going to use... I have a hard time believing that trophy trucks, nascar cup cars, pro-stock drag cars, and so on, put adjustable coil overs on their competition vehicles because "they look neat-o".
third, I'm assuming you're reffering to "spacers" as wheel spacers? do some searching around this forum alone, and you'll find that on most SAS'ed rigs that get on some hard core trails, it's not only a good idea becuase it makes the wheel base wider adding stability on the trail, but it's also NECESSARY in some cases to clear the frame and/or other suspension compenents when running larger tires on the stock Toyota axle
I understand that it was just "a little come back to some attitude", but you might want to wait until you're here a little longer and some people know you a little better before you just bust out the attitude...
I guess I'm going to have to break this down...
sure coils add restance, and so does the tortion bars that are on your claimed 2nd gen 4Runner, but with two main differences from the resistance that shocks provide:
1) they don't provide a funtion to slow down and damper the movement. that's why when you see an old truck or car with worn out shocks go over a bump of dip in the road, they "float" up and down for the next 100 yards; they're pretty much riding on all spring because there's no dampening there from the shocks
2) coil springs, tortion bars, and leaf springs, are all progressive with their resistance, and it's this progressive resistance that allows them to support the weight of the vehicle. standard shocks absorbers are NOT designed to take the weight of a vechicle; that's the spring's job
so in the end:
spring = supports the weight of the vehicle, but also allows the movement of the suspension
shock = is NOT load bearing; simply absorbs and cancels out movement of the suspension
more shocks = more canceling out of the suspension movement
more canceling out of suspension movement = stiffer rider
now of course none of this applies to nitro-charged shocks of anything, but that's a different situation all together...
BUT, it purly depends on the vehicle too, which is why I mentioned before that the full-size truck guys normally choose to run them. the heavier the vehicle, the less you'll notice the added dampening. but on a light mini-truck, there's not a whole lot of weight to be thrown around, so adding a ton of shocks is going to make the ride harsh
and by the way, a coil-over is just a combination of coil spring and shock; a standard shock absorber runs down the inside of a standard coil spring; it's just more convenient to put them in a smaller package like that. you cannot simply replace a coil over assembly with a bunch of standard shock absorbers then you'll have nothing to support the weight of the vehicle
and you attempted to insult me with, and I quote, "I'm guessing that you run spacers or adjustable coil-overs, thats mall-crawler stuff! Those are just stock replacement add-ons, duals actually require real modification."
first off, no I run neither
second, adjustable coil overs are in NO WAY mall crawler stuff, IF USED WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR... mall crawler is all about bling that you're never going to use... I have a hard time believing that trophy trucks, nascar cup cars, pro-stock drag cars, and so on, put adjustable coil overs on their competition vehicles because "they look neat-o".
third, I'm assuming you're reffering to "spacers" as wheel spacers? do some searching around this forum alone, and you'll find that on most SAS'ed rigs that get on some hard core trails, it's not only a good idea becuase it makes the wheel base wider adding stability on the trail, but it's also NECESSARY in some cases to clear the frame and/or other suspension compenents when running larger tires on the stock Toyota axle
I understand that it was just "a little come back to some attitude", but you might want to wait until you're here a little longer and some people know you a little better before you just bust out the attitude...
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what bars are you talking about?
BTW the only dual shock setup you need on a yota is when your prerunnin with long travel and run triple bypass secondaries up front
BTW #2 Bleeder knows all!!!!! Respect and good posting!!!!
BTW the only dual shock setup you need on a yota is when your prerunnin with long travel and run triple bypass secondaries up front
BTW #2 Bleeder knows all!!!!! Respect and good posting!!!!
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I got rid of my Toy I was trying to use as a DD and got the Ford, which I can now use as a tow rig for the next project Toy
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hey i got a 56 ford thats alive and well!!!! I dont know what they drive in palmdale but afro man definitely knows
Oh and thanks bleeder, didn't see that compliment
Oh and thanks bleeder, didn't see that compliment
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Alright let me clarify, Yotaman said "in this case torsion bars" I thought he was talking about the truck in the original post with a soild front axle. Thats why I was confused, I understand that they are two different types of suspension. Thats why i posed the question, I thought maybe there was some kinda suspension I didn't know about. Yotaman was apparently talking about my truck which obviously has IFS, sorry yotaman I miss understood. Back to my point though, I belive that dual shocks and torsion bars are alot less bouncy than any spring with single shock set up on rough trails.
Pismo, I don't think that racist comments are necessary
Pismo, I don't think that racist comments are necessary
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is just that a lot of people who also drive their weekend trail rigs on a daily basis don't understand that it's also going to make the ride a little stiffer on the road too. but then again that doesn't bother a lot of people, so it's all in personal prefference in the end
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