fork

what kind of mudding do you do... lol

techno

WTF? I dont care how good your suspension is or how much money you might have spent on it, when you've got 4 wheels all spinning on the ground, you need momentum! Thats a fact. If you have boggers aired down to 5psi front and rear lockers and 4 feet of suspension travel and your still spinning, then you might need some more momentum.
Look, we all know what wheeling is like. What works on one trail might not work on another. Experience, trial and error, good vehicle setup and common sense all play a part.
Sometimes you need to go slow, sometimes you need to go a bit quicker.

rngrchad

I thought it was a result of how ghetto his "Fo by Fo" name is.

dijlop

right on there. im gonna throw in my money on techno. speed isnt always needed, but sometimes is it. especially if ur drivin something like i do. iv got a 2wd 22re. if i want to go over a parking curb with my rear wheels in dirt, iv gotta be moving b4 i get there. if i touch it and stop, im gonna spin and throw dirt. i agree that tires and lockers deffinately help, but there is always going to be a situation for everyone where u CANT make it from a dead stop.

tc

Maybe so, Fred, but this is the WORLD wide web, not the ARIZONA wide web and people in other parts of the country will be disserved by the advice to always stay off the throttle.

Momentum/skinny is just as useful a tool in the 4WD driver's toolbox as anything else.

Robrt32

I thought the same thing , he needs to come on down to the Mississippi Delta and introduce him to GUMBO/BUCKSHOT.. He won't pull off the road without 4 wheeldrive and buckshot mudders..


Sounds like poster needs more practice driving, Ive seen 2 wheel drives go farther than a 4 wheel drive, all in the driver

dijlop

yea 2wds. i love showin up some dude in a huge ford f-250 jacked skyhigh on massive wheels and such. the look on their face when i follow them through some pit in my 94 stock yota on highway terrain 215/70/14's. yea. driver plays a small part.

FredTJ

It's simply beyond me (well not really having hung around too many forums for too many years I guess) how or why it's so difficult for some people to stay on the same page.

We're not talking about some baby poop goo or mud in some other part of the country.
We're talking about this one particular persons problem and trying to help HIM and he lives and wheels here in Arizona not anywhere else in the world.


Perhaps some of y'all didn't catch parts of his original post, to wit:

Note the "lurching back and forth violently" part ??
One of the most surefire way that I know of to break crap out here is to "hammer it out" when the vehicle is lurching and bucking all over (that using means boucing, which is almost certain death to hammer it then).


Also:
Smart poster and he's got enough sense to know his possible limits.

So, instead of wandering off all over the world and different conditions from what he's running, maybe we can stay centered on the page and help, to which my suggestions (even offering to let him run with us to help see what's going on first hand and provide tips and pointers) and advice stand.
"Hammer it out" on the trails out here where we run, in Arizona, will break crap pretty quickly.
Doesn't matter for this thread what works in other parts of the WORLD now does it ?
This thread is about answering and trying to solve a problem or problems offered up by the original poster and, as it sounds like many don't know the conditions out here, that invalid advice is being offered and advice that's most likely to break him faster than help him.



Fred

CJM

All depends on the terrain.

Mud without knowing whats under it may make you very unhappy. You sink, you hit a large obstacle, you get stuck.. Only fly through if you know whats under it and most times you dont! Have a friend nearby who can help pull you out!

Smooth terrain such as sand or hard packed dirt I would venture to say you could hammer it if you wanted to. That photo in my avatar is where I hammered it, after trying to go slow. I put my auto trans into the lowest gear, in 4x4 low and off I went. I tried the first time by going up it pretty slow in drive, but I didnt make it up and stalled out..

Now, rocky terrain you always wanna go slow, you need a spotter most times or need to be CAREFUL!

It all depends on the terrain folks, that being said never gun it unless you can see a clear path and you checked it out and already tried it going slow.

AxleIke

This has gone fast in a pointless direction.

thook

Humans are good at that....

Robrt32

If you always stay on topic, your new to message boards, You'll catch on

Brenjen

Well a lot of what is being discussed is getting lost in translation. Hammering it is how you keep from getting into the "lurching back & forth" in the first place in some situations. If you pull into an obstacle too slowly you'll lose momentum; pulling into it slowly then hammering it after your lurching is definitely a bad idea lol

I stand by the "take some video" advice; but the "come wheel with us so we can see first hand" advice is even better.

Everyone just chill & understand the limitations of typing out a conversation or you'll end up feeling like this --->

Fo by Fo

Well guys, this is extremely delayed, lol, I don't know if anyone is still subscribed to this thread, I was really busy with school and finals after I posted this, then I was working full time, then busy with school starting again, next thing I know 6 months has gone by, hahaha. Anyways, after giving my truck a much needed tune up and fixing the air conditioning my truck is much more pleasant to drive (I live in Arizona) and I want to start off roading again. Anyways, I found a video that looks like is very similar to what I'm experiencing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tO8D9Jt-cAk

there is the link. Now I realize this is a completely different vehicle and set up in a different environment but the general problem looks like mine. All 4 tires are spinning, all seem to be on the ground, not getting any traction, and it starts lurching and bouncing up and down when it seems like it should be able to contine climbing. I messaged the person who posted the video and he said that the problem was tires on that samurai had sidewalls that were too thick, meaning that when it was aired down it still didn't have that big of a footprint and didn't "fold" over the rocks like an aired down tire should. Now when I first started wheeling I sometimes didn't air down my tires, but I've still had this problem even with my tires aired down. My truck has had 32x11.50 R15LT Dunlop RV radial Rovers on it since I bought it used. Do you think my tires could be the culprit?

tc

Well, that looks like to me the results of having both axles trying to climb obstacles at the same time. Certainly lower air pressure helps by allowing the tires to work more as "tank treads", but the real solution is what is shown in the video - take a different line. Sometimes, just turning the wheels back and forth left to right is enough of a difference for the wheel to clear and you to go right over the obstacles.

alexe

on an ifs truck your more likely to lift a rear tire

spanish-road

poop I had that happen to me in my truck its like its on speed and a rabbit mixed with dope. My problem was that my engine couldn't make the power to run the wheels

AxleIke

sorry? The rear, stock, on IFS trucks has 6+ more inches of travel than the front. you will lift a front more often than a rear.

KevinInSac

Very rarely do I lift a front. The rear is always in the air. It may be because a good majority of the weight is in the front.

FredTJ

Not on a 2nd Gen 4Runner, for sure.





Fred