Brake pedal goes to the floor on the first pump
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Brake pedal goes to the floor on the first pump
My brakes had become kinda spongy and low on the first pump so I bled the system including the proportioning valve the other day. Now it's worse. The pedal goes basically all the way to the floor on the first pump, when I pump the brakes again the pedal rises, feels very firm and the truck stops well. I bled the brakes again and I didn't see any improvement. With and without the engine running if I pump the brakes the pedal will firm up and stay that way, it won't fall to the floor slowly.
So should I try, try again to bleed... or is something broken on my 86?
So should I try, try again to bleed... or is something broken on my 86?
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Still sounds like there is air in the system somewhere since the pedal pumps up and won't creep to the floor. Possible that the master needs to be bled and then the wheels. If you are sure there is no air coming out when you bleed the wheels, then the master may be defective.
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Well, I am still having problems with this. Since I made this thread I have bled the brakes again, replaced the wheel cylinders (one was leaky) and shoes, adjusted the drums, bled again and again but still no improvement. Today I bought a new master cylinder from napa and bench bled it, then put it on and bled the brakes again... same double pump pedal. What else could be wrong??
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thats the most common is hard pedel but try this to test booster
Press the brake pedal a couple times it should become harder to push than start car in a few seconds pedel schould get softer
sorry i didnt read ur hole post
Press the brake pedal a couple times it should become harder to push than start car in a few seconds pedel schould get softer
sorry i didnt read ur hole post
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a bad brake booster will not cause you to have to pump the pedal twice. It would just cause the pedal to become hard to push.
I would say it was your master cylinder but if you changed it then I don't have any other ideas. sorry.
I would say it was your master cylinder but if you changed it then I don't have any other ideas. sorry.
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I had a problem like this when I had a manual nissan 240sx. I had a dead pedal that I would have to pump before it got any braking force. And I replaced the master cylinder and also the slave cylinder. I forget which one fixed the issue though so, yeah...
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I had an issue like this in my 82' pickup awhile back. Wasn't quite as bad as your saying, turned out to be one of the brake lines in the front would slightly swell. How I saw this was bleeding the brakes, while they were being pumped I could see one swell and in between each rib, you could see it was slightly cracked. Put on stainless braid lines, problem gone.
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Did the proportioning valve bleed good? Rear brakes adjusted right? On that matter, does your emergency brake work good?
If you drive on a hill and stop, holding the truck on the hill with the brakes, does the pedal sink down at all?
If you drive on a hill and stop, holding the truck on the hill with the brakes, does the pedal sink down at all?
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look at the brake booster, vacuum lines to the booster . A bad booster can make the brakes feel too touchy or soft. These are just ideas from things I've run into. it is more common for them to make it really hard to push but i have had soft peddle to